[JPL] Miles/Hard Bop MILES DAVIS(NO THANK YOU) CLIFFORD BROWN(WHAT A LOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Bob Harrigan rharrigan at tampabay.rr.com
Wed Mar 23 14:24:11 EST 2005


BOB H.
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From: "Jae Sinnett" <jaejazz at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:56 PM


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> Blaise,
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>>From my perspective I don't think Miles personally really ever totally 
>>crossed over into the so called hard bop concept. By the time he had his 
>>sixties quintet together with Tony, Herbie, Ron and Wayne I don't think 
>>folk identified that as Hard Bop although it's energy was certainly based 
>>on that idea. It was very new harmonically and rhythmically and I really 
>>to this day don't think it's sound has ever been clearly identified - 
>>other than progressive. His band mates tapped into the Hard Bop energy but 
>>not so much him. His trumpet style didn't fit that hard driving, loud and 
>>fast sound that Hard Bop was producing. This was one of the reasons that 
>>he delved into the so call "modal period" in the later 50's. The music was 
>>generally slower with considerably fewer chord progressions and 
>>dynamically softer. This style played more into his strengths as a 
>>trumpeter than Hard Bop. If you listen to those mid 50's recordings with 
>>Philly Joe and Trane (During the tail end of the Hard !
> Bop
> movement) there were very different sonic textures behind Miles than 
> Coltrane or Cannonball but he embraced and liked those differences in his 
> band. My two cent.
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> Jae Sinnett
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> Tom Mallison <tomthejazzman at earthlink.net> wrote:
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> One of the significant changes in the presentations of Miles Davis came
> with his new quintet that featured Herbie/Wayne and Tony. The" Live" in
> Berlin CD recently released on Columbia really captures this change with
> very good liner notes. Herbie and Tony at the age of 18 really kicked butt
> and launched a new direction for Miles. ALOHA to All. Tom
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>> [Original Message]
>> From: Blaise Lantana
>> To:
>> Date: 3/22/2005 6:33:30 PM
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>> Thanks for the reminder, Steve.
>>
>> Just go a question from a listener about the difference between be bop 
>> and
>> Hard bop, the eras and the sound and when Miles crossed the line from one
> to
>> the other. I'd appreciate some input and opinions from you all.
>>
>> Blaise Lantana
>> Music Director
>> KJZZ Phoenix
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