[JPL] Miles/Hard Bop

Bill Moody solohand27 at earthlink.net
Thu Mar 24 09:57:11 EST 2005


And what was he playing on the Friday/Saturday Night at the Blackhawk 
if not bebop?
Bill
On Wednesday, March 23, 2005, at 07:13 PM, Rick McLaughlin wrote:

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> Jae,
>
> Thanks for posting that.  Interesting to see your point of view.  But 
> what
> do you think about the Blue Note sides or the LP "Milestones" (first - 
> or
> second - one on Columbia)?
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> Blaise,
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>> From my perspective I don't think Miles personally really ever totally
>> crossed over into the so called hard bop concept. By the time he had
>> his sixties quintet together with Tony, Herbie, Ron and Wayne I don't
>> think folk identified that as Hard Bop although it's energy was
>> certainly based on that idea. It was very new harmonically and
>> rhythmically and I really to this day don't think it's sound has ever
>> been clearly identified - other than progressive. His band mates 
>> tapped
>> into the Hard Bop energy but not so much him. His trumpet style didn't
>> fit that hard driving, loud and fast sound that Hard Bop was 
>> producing.
>> This was one of the reasons that he delved into the so call "modal
>> period" in the later 50's. The music was generally slower with
>> considerably fewer chord progressions and dynamically softer. This
>> style played more into his strengths as a trumpeter than Hard Bop. If
>> you listen to those mid 50's recordings with Philly Joe and Trane
>> (During the tail end of the Hard Bop
>  movement) there were very different sonic textures behind Miles than
> Coltrane or Cannonball but he embraced and liked those differences in 
> his
> band. My two cent.
>
> Jae Sinnett
> WHRV FM Norfolk VA
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> Tom Mallison <tomthejazzman at earthlink.net> wrote:
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> One of the significant changes in the presentations of Miles Davis 
> came with
> his new quintet that featured Herbie/Wayne and Tony. The" Live" in 
> Berlin CD
> recently released on Columbia really captures this change with very 
> good
> liner notes. Herbie and Tony at the age of 18 really kicked butt and
> launched a new direction for Miles. ALOHA to All. Tom
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Blaise Lantana
>> To:
>> Date: 3/22/2005 6:33:30 PM
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>> Thanks for the reminder, Steve.
>>
>> Just go a question from a listener about the difference between be bop
>> and Hard bop, the eras and the sound and when Miles crossed the line
>> from one
> to
>> the other. I'd appreciate some input and opinions from you all.
>>
>> Blaise Lantana
>> Music Director
>> KJZZ Phoenix
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