[JPL] Answer to the ECM question

Jim Wilke jwilke123 at comcast.net
Fri Aug 4 19:33:55 EDT 2006

Ahhhh!   That's a cool story!, and hopefully ECM has more CD buyers 
than radio stations playing their material, so we shouldn't complain 
too loudly.

Just remember:  if it's ECM and it's track 1, cue it up to music.  
There's about 4-5 seconds silence before track 1.  I've finally got 
used to it, and (almost) always remember to cue in to music on track 1.

Jim Wilke
Jazz After Hours, PRI

On Friday, August 4, 2006, at 04:20  PM, Mark Rini wrote:

> Hi Jae and all,
>> From ECM:
> "The silence at the beginning of the first track arrived on ECM CDs in
> 1992, courtesy of Karlheinz Stockhausen. When we sent him the first
> test-CDs of his "Michaels Reise" he complained that he didn't have
> enough time, after pressing the 'play' button, to get to his favourite
> armchair before the music started. Thinking about it, we felt he had a
> point, that the listener should at least have time to take a breath and
> get ready for the journey into the music...
> The preparatory silence has been part of the discs ever since."
> Best,
> Mark
> Mark Rini
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com
> [mailto:jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com] On Behalf Of Jae Sinnett
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 1:15 PM
> To: Jazz Programmers Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [JPL] ECM Delay
> I certainly understand this concept of delay in live performance but on
> disc......particularly if you segue into the first ECM track and not
> remembering the delay is there - can certainly make it sound like 
> something
> went wrong.
>   Jae
> EdBride at aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 8/1/2006 8:50:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jassav at comcast.net writes:
> <<..
> ECM cds have sent me quickly scanning the board to see what button I 
> didn't
> have pushed. ECM is the only one that has this delay and to confuse
> things
> even more, every so often, a ECM cd will not have the delay. I'm always
> prepared, and will hit the play button early, but you never know how 
> early.
> I too would love to know why they do this. I am sure it is intentional.
> But why?
> ..>>
> Some of us who remember vinyl still cue-up a CD...in the real sense:
> actually hearing the first couple of seconds. It's good practice, 
> anyway,
> because of
> labeling inconsistencies (sometimes a brief inter-music narrative is
> enumerated, sometimes not).
> Ed

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