[JPL] Crisis! What Crisis?

jazzrockworld rick at jazzrockworld.com
Sat Aug 12 13:22:41 EDT 2006


Hi Bobby,

I should know better than to speak in absolutes. My bad. 

It also contradicts my own experience of discovering Fusion. I was totally
into the SF Hippie Rock thing with a nod toward bands that had
improvisational skill and good soloists. Then, someone played The Inner
Mounting Flame and I thought that it was computer music - not music played
by humans. It made no sense (to me) and I thought it was horrible. A few
months later my friend said I had to see "this orchestra" and the rest is
history. 

The focus of the post was style, fashion, and being "out of step". I used
Rap and Hip Hop to illustrate what is in style - I may be way off base there
as well. (It's just possible I'm stuck in the 70's).

Aloha,

Rick Calic
www.jazzrockworld.com 




 

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[mailto:jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Jackson
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Rick wrote........
"I personally think that good music will always be good music. I'd probably
commit suicide if I ended up in a rest home that only played Rap and Hip
Hop."

Who knows Rick?  If someone actually tied you down and forced you to listen
to Hip-Hop and Rap in mass quantities, you just might begin to appreciate
some of it,  just as a person who doesn't listen to Afro-Cuban rhythms can't

distinguish a guaguanco from a cha-cha or merengue.   This world we live in 
has a lot of ugliness and many have commited suicide as a result of that. 
Rather than die, I'll look for the beauty in all things.

Aloha,

Bobby

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> "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes" (William Shatner - Airplane II)
>
> Just as I sent off that email saying I agree that the word Jazz is a dead
> word, there's a commercial for Jazz Pepsi on TV. Wow!
>
> Your point on the variety shows of the past is well taken. I wonder 
> though,
> how much of their programming was merely a reflection of the times? Jazz
> used to be the most popular music in the country, schools used to have 
> music
> appreciation, local music stores were busy giving lessons, and all that 
> gave
> way to "I don't understand the music these kids listen to".
>
> I'm reminded of Lenny Bruce's routines about style, fashion, what is hip,
> and the consequence of being "out of step". His act had a routine about 
> how
> to build a successful "girl singer" and the need for a gimmick - hair
> underarms. (paraphrasing now) Yeah, but it can't just be hair because
> anybody can do that, it's got to be different. I know, we'll cut it, trim
> it, keep is low in the back. So, when people see it they'll say HEY that
> chick has hair under her arms. Yeah, but it's different... She takes care 
> of
> herself!!! Well, that's disgusting, hair underarms, I've never heard of 
> such
> a thing. Why is that disgusting, is it against God? No. Is it hygiene,
> certainly not - if it were, we'd have to shave the eyebrows, the head, the
> shmushka, the whole bit. So what's the problem with it? It's out of style.
>
> Reeling it back in, I find myself repeating the words of my parents - I
> don't understand the music these kids listen to. Honestly, I don't. I hear
> it in the soundtracks of many movies and at major intersections waiting 
> for
> a red light to turn green. But all I really hear is BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. What
> was the joke not long ago, a musician couldn't get a contract at Warner
> unless he had a rap sheet?
>
> Styles change, I'm out of step. Jazz is out of step. Fusion (a form of 
> Jazz)
> is out of step. Society is in regression. John McLaughlin said in my 
> article
> that sometimes in order for humanity to take a step forward, it needs to
> take a couple steps back, and right now, we're taking our steps back. The
> proof of that comes from Hollywood - Batman, Fantastic Four, Spider Man,
> Dumb & Dumber, and generally remakes of remakes - they're out of ideas.
>
> The hope is in the cycle of things. As Lenny Bruce also said, "Don't throw
> out that tie - it might come back in style". Little did he know that tie
> makers would suffer the same hardships as hat makers.
>
> I personally think that good music will always be good music. I'd probably
> commit suicide if I ended up in a rest home that only played Rap and Hip
> Hop.
>
> Do Rap and Hip Hop artists study at Berklee or Julliard?
>
> Best,
>
> Rick Calic
> www.jazzrockworld.com
>
>
>
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> Yes,
>
> Many perspectives. Tolerance is word in the house.
>
> I'm sorry I haven't read your paper.
>
> "Dr. Levin pointed out that only about one third of the population has the
> ability to appreciate the abstract."
>
> If you expose people to good music, art, literature and especially well
> conceived stories crafted through moving images they will respond
> enthusiastically. The appeal and power of music is universal, and all 
> music
> is abstract. That's like saying only a third of population understands or
> even has dreams.
>
> Maybe because the Perry Como, the Ed Sullivan, Andy Williams, Jackie 
> Gleason
> and Mike Douglas variety shows did a better job of conveying culture than
> Enfotainment Tonight does now. That's where most people spend their time,
> plugged in to the Matrix. Those cheesey shows and many others were 
> vehicles
> to further involvement. Much of today's entertainment packages are bundled
> into hermetic orchestras of tested reaction. Jazz is antithetical to that.
> At it's best it's spontaneous and unpredictable.  It's not hard to see 
> that
> the music doesn't fit with easy to grab marketing models, but that doesn't
> mean they aren't out there.
>
> Fusion's just a word. It can be a label, yet is more powerful when put
> across as a concept consistent throughout the evolution of jazz.
> Horace Silver and Herbie Nichols would be a good place for me to start in
> front of a group of young musicians here at Blue Lake tp show them with
> records how the fusion of West Indian music, Bud Powell and Bartok led 
> here
> or there. It's just easier for young people, even musicians, to hear 
> what's
> readily available.  Young jazz students don't want cross over, they want 
> to
> tap the main vein. And fusion's another way in.
>
> Personally fusion is like nostalgia to me, though there are moments of
> creative music making going on with electric instruments -- did you hear
> Marcus Miller's "Frankenstein"? He went all in. Or Sanborn lately. Looking
> forward to hearing him live this winter. (Not Edgar).
>
> LV
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