[JPL] Re: Ray Charles with Count Basie Orchestra

Al Karia jctrane at gmail.com
Wed Aug 30 11:32:07 EDT 2006


Re: Ray Charles/Count Basie amalgum
    Seems to me that the issue that no one has addressed in the
discussion so far is the most basic one: To what extent should
recorded music be 'tweaked' in ways beyond the control and assent of
the artists? Is it OK for an engineer to downplay or eliminate noise
occurring in a live-concert recording? How about artificially
modulating the sound levels in the pursuit of more appealling product?
 How 'bout technically eliminating a solo with a 'clunker' in it ?
(You all know Miles' opinion about that). How about actually releasing
a product (e.g., Bird's infamous Dial session breakdown) that is
embarrassing to the artist?
     Of course, the Ray-Basie product is a contrivance, pure and
simple. i wonder how each of us would feel if, after our 'departure',
some well-meaning (?)  organization decided to cut and splice our own
on-air product to THEIR tastes. The possibilities for abuse are
rampant.
      Gene Abkarian
      KRFC   Ft Collins, CO

On 8/30/06, Ron Gill <ron_gill at verizon.net> wrote:
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> From: "Bradley M. Stone" <bstone at science.sjsu.edu>
> Date: 2006/08/29 Tue AM 11:58:54 CDT
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> Subject: RE: [JPL] Ray Charles with Count Basie Orchestra
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> After reading the comments here regarding Ray and Basie
> I begin to wonder what our responsibilities are as programmers of jazz,
> which we all love so much.
> Those of us who are purists get called such things as 'jazz police' and
> other names because we feel the need to protect and immortalize the history
> of the music that starts with Louis and moved forward.
> As a performer of jazz, a programmer and president of a jazz organization, I
> am in that court of making sure this music is respected and appreciated.
> I wonder how many on this list ARE willing to stand tall and NOT play this
> recording as was suggested by another person on this list.
> Yes, it may sound wonderful...but what is the purpose, other than making a
> few dollars?
> Why couldn't the powers that were there when Basie and Ray were alive see
> the great possibilities of pairing them when they were with us? Like
> Basie/Ellington did years ago, or Eckstine/Basie on Roulette.
> I have many wishes in my head of such things..Ellington/Eckstine, for
> example. Eckstine did wonderful things with Duke's music, but I know of no
> recording with them.
> But, would it be right to pair them now, after they are gone? I don't think
> so.
> Just some thoughts.
> Ron Gill
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> If the listeners made that judgement, then that would be one less reason to
> have Music Directors!  Maybe we (Jazz) should just go into the audience
> research game, and have the tracks rated by the audience, like Smooth Jazz
> started years ago!
>
> Brad
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> In a message dated 8/28/2006 7:48:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> EdBride at aol.com writes:
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> Does the  Jazz Programmer community have the guts to give this album  its
> due...by not playing it? Or is the Jazz Programmer community supposed to
> let
>  the
> listener make that sort of  judgement?
>
>
> I suppose you should let the listener make that judgement.
>
>
> Jeff  Kaye
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> acclaimed quintet featuring CHRIS POTTER (tenor and soprano), STEVE NELSON
> (vibes), ROBIN EUBANKS (trombone), and NATE SMITH (drums).  CRITICAL MASS
> features eight road-tested, original compositions on record for the first
> time and, of course, masterful performances by a jazz group that has become
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> with CRITICAL MASS, the first new studio album in five years from his highly
> acclaimed quintet featuring CHRIS POTTER (tenor and soprano), STEVE NELSON
> (vibes), ROBIN EUBANKS (trombone), and NATE SMITH (drums).  CRITICAL MASS
> features eight road-tested, original compositions on record for the first
> time and, of course, masterful performances by a jazz group that has become
> a trademark for excellence in music.
>
> ON YOUR DESKS NOW!
>
> GOING FOR ADDS: 8/28 and 8/29
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> IN STORES:  8/29
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> FALL TOUR DATES, UPDATED BIO, PRESS RELEASE, PHOTOS and more, please visit
> Rock Paper Scissors's OPK at: http://tinyurl.com/fkfls
>
> LIMITED TIME ONLY!!! -- 100 MP3 free copies of a new version Dave's classic
> tune Dream of the Elders (recorded during the Critical Mass sessions) are
> available for download here: http://tinyurl.com/nf5hn
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> For more information, interviews, etc. -- please contact:
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