[JPL] Soccer Has Defenders, Jazz Has `Compers'

Jae Sinnett jaejazz at yahoo.com
Tue Jul 18 14:26:06 EDT 2006


Mike Zwerin, I understand your fundamental point but I don't agree in that the thinking from Miles or Sonny was if they were going to use a "white" musician they had to be "much" better. I think the bottom line with both was that they heard something from each (Bill Evans and Jim Hall) that was "different" than what they were hearing from others and that they could simply.... play. 
   
  Red Garland and Wynton Kelly brought two different perspectives to Miles' group and their harmonic choices and rhythmic concepts were considerably different than Bill Evans. There were advantages and disadvantages from all three - depending on which musical direction Miles wanted pursue. The clear and obvious profound difference and particularly considering the day, was that Bill Evans was white. I think the same thinking can apply to Sonny. He loved what he heard from Jim Hall who just happened to be white. It wasn't that he was better than Wes or Joe but he played differently than they did. This is what I think both were after when they decided to work with these great musicians - a fresh, unique and original sound. 
   
  When you look at the peripheral in the 50's and 60's and the ignorant societal mechanisms that black artists were confronted with these were very brave and bold decisions for these great jazz leaders to integrate their ensembles. The beautiful part about it was that it worked musically and some masterpieces were produced.  
   
  Jae Sinnett
  WHRV FM
  Norfolk VA 

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Mike Zwerin replies:

The only one that got it was Dan Polletta.
That's exactly what I was trying to say. Miles and Bill Evans is another
good example of that. The white guy would have to be *much* better than any
black player who was available at that time and place - or at least *much*
closer to what that particular leader needed for his band of the moment -
for Sonny, Bird, or Miles to hire him. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth the
flack, and he might as well give the gig to a brother. Please tell Polletta
that I really appreciate his reaction. And my apologies to everyone else for
not expressing myself clearer.


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>In a message dated 7/18/2006 11:12:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>Bobby.Jackson at ideastream.org writes:
>Zwerin wrote and Sonny allegedly said,
>
>"The importance Rollins gave to good comping can be illustrated by the
>fact that Hall is white. It is reasonable to assume that any white
>musicians hired to accompany top-quality African-American improvisers
>are the best around."
>
>Sorry Michael Zwerin and Sonny. I'm lost on the significance that
>because Hall is white makes him best to accompany top quality
>African-American improvisors>
>
>My GUESS (emphasis on word guess) is that just as Miles Davis took heat for
>hiring Bill Evans into this band instead of black pianist, Zwerin is 
>inferring
>that Hall would have to have been particularly outstanding to be hired by
>Rollins, who MAY have been subjected to a similar criticism.from his 
>fellow black
>musicians or fans. Rollins would be able to rebuff the criticism by pointing
>out Hall's obvious skills, just as David did with Evans. In his biography,
>Davis discussed how much comments from blacks about hiring a white pianist 
>for
>his band hurt both him and Bill.
>
>I don't think the point that Zerwin is raising the idea that Hall, by being
>white is a better comper. He is stating (I guess) that recalling the mood of
>the times, in which some black jazz musicians were accused of willfully
>excluding white players solely on because of their race, Rollins would be 
>going out
>on a limb to hire a white player. So if Sonny hired a white guy, he'd better
>be damn good.
>
>
>Dan Polletta
>WCPN-FM
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A sinfully sultry mix of originals and standards'' is what JazzTrenzz reviewer Karl Stober had to say about composer/pianist Lisa Hilton's latest release, 'MIDNIGHT IN MANHATTAN', (Ruby Slippers Productions).  Inspired by a late New York night, she has once again created a recording full of evocative moods, strong melodies and expressive arrangements.  Creating a new band  for these sessions, 'Midnight In Manhattan' also features famed Brubeck saxman Bobby Militello, John Friday on drums and long time bassist Reggie McBride.  Eighteen-time Grammy winning engineer/producer Al Schmitt recorded and mixed with Hilton in Studio A/Capitol Studios keeping a natural sound that compliments the straight ahead tracks. 

Trained in contemporary and classical piano, Hilton contemplated jazz greats for inspiration.  ''I've always been inspired by the melodies of our great American songwriters of the 30's, the rhythmic hooks of classic jazz of the 50's and a bit of our blues from the South'' comments Hilton, ''but I do think that jazz can be inspired by this musical heritage and still sound cool today.''

Hilton's music continues to earn numerous awards and honors.  Her music is distributed by Navarre and is available at most retail and online stores.  Her website is: www.lisahiltonmusic.com. 

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