[JPL] Soccer Has Defenders, Jazz Has `Compers'

Eric Jackson eric-jackson at comcast.net
Wed Jul 19 12:32:24 EDT 2006


On Tuesday 18 July 2006 13:43, Dr. Jazz wrote:

> Mike Zwerin replies:
>
> The only one that got it was Dan Polletta.
> That's exactly what I was trying to say. Miles and Bill Evans is another
> good example of that. The white guy would have to be *much* better than any
> black player who was available at that time and place - or at least *much*
> closer to what that particular leader needed for his band of the moment -
> for Sonny, Bird, or Miles to hire him. Otherwise it wouldn't be worth the
> flack, and he might as well give the gig to a brother. Please tell Polletta
> that I really appreciate his reaction. And my apologies to everyone else
> for not expressing myself clearer.

So following that logic, Dave Liebman and Steve Grossman were much better than 
any black player around?

I can't say much about the Bill Evans period but I do know that later Miles 
advocated keeping a white player in the band because he thought it helped him 
work more. So financially, it might have been "worth the flack."

Eric Jackson
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> At 11:47 AM 7/18/2006, you wrote:
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> >In a message dated 7/18/2006 11:12:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >Bobby.Jackson at ideastream.org writes:
> >Zwerin wrote and Sonny allegedly said,
> >
> >"The importance Rollins gave to good comping can be illustrated by the
> >fact that Hall is white. It is reasonable to assume that any white
> >musicians hired to accompany top-quality African-American improvisers
> >are the best around."
> >
> >Sorry Michael Zwerin and Sonny.  I'm lost on the significance that
> >because Hall is white makes him best to accompany top quality
> >African-American improvisors>
> >
> >My GUESS (emphasis on word guess) is that just as Miles Davis took heat
> > for hiring Bill Evans into this band instead of black pianist, Zwerin is
> > inferring
> >that Hall would have to have been particularly outstanding to be hired by
> >Rollins, who MAY have been subjected to a similar criticism.from his
> >fellow black
> >musicians or fans.  Rollins would be able to rebuff the criticism by
> > pointing out Hall's obvious skills, just as David did with Evans.  In his
> > biography, Davis discussed how much comments from blacks about hiring a
> > white pianist for
> >his band hurt both him and Bill.
> >
> >I don't think the point that Zerwin is raising the idea  that Hall, by
> > being white is a better comper. He is stating (I guess) that recalling
> > the mood of the times, in which some black jazz musicians were accused of
> > willfully excluding white players solely on because of their race,
> > Rollins would be going out
> >on a limb to hire a white player.  So if Sonny hired a white guy, he'd
> > better be damn good.
> >
> >
> >Dan Polletta
> >WCPN-FM
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> A sinfully sultry mix of originals and standards'' is what JazzTrenzz
> reviewer Karl Stober had to say about composer/pianist Lisa Hilton's latest
> release, 'MIDNIGHT IN MANHATTAN', (Ruby Slippers Productions).  Inspired by
> a late New York night, she has once again created a recording full of
> evocative moods, strong melodies and expressive arrangements.  Creating a
> new band  for these sessions, 'Midnight In Manhattan' also features famed
> Brubeck saxman Bobby Militello, John Friday on drums and long time bassist
> Reggie McBride.  Eighteen-time Grammy winning engineer/producer Al Schmitt
> recorded and mixed with Hilton in Studio A/Capitol Studios keeping a
> natural sound that compliments the straight ahead tracks.
>
> Trained in contemporary and classical piano, Hilton contemplated jazz
> greats for inspiration.  ''I've always been inspired by the melodies of our
> great American songwriters of the 30's, the rhythmic hooks of classic jazz
> of the 50's and a bit of our blues from the South'' comments Hilton, ''but
> I do think that jazz can be inspired by this musical heritage and still
> sound cool today.''
>
> Hilton's music continues to earn numerous awards and honors.  Her music is
> distributed by Navarre and is available at most retail and online stores. 
> Her website is: www.lisahiltonmusic.com.
>
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