[JPL] Phat Band/Bruce Hornsby

Paul Combs pcomb at comcast.net
Sat Jul 29 12:22:16 EDT 2006



Bobby Jackson wrote:

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> Peeps,
>
> As much as I've enjoyed this recent banter on musical values and 
> aesthetics, ( I too was tempted to contribute to this string to ask 
> questions about the Bad Plus and where they fit into this but I 
> won't.  It doesn't matter........ ), but after awhile of reading the 
> various posts on this subject,  I'm left feeling a lot like perhaps 
> many listeners that DON'T listen to jazz.  Many find jazz 
> exclusionary, passe, mystifying and above all, they really DON'T care. 
> We don't matter to "97%" of listeners to radio. Our music of choice is 
> the smallest in terms of audience on todays current music menu in the 
> United States and perhaps across the world.  This banter may be good 
> for those diehard aficionados. It is interesting to me, an insider who 
> loves jazz but, my question is this......
>
> How does this information translate into growing more audience?  What 
> good is it if we continue this line with no payoff that translates 
> into more listeners?  I've not heard one comment that addresses this 
> critical point.How many people in our audience pays attention to these 
> nuances that inspire those of us who are "deep in the woods" 
> intellectually and technically about the music?  I've spoken to tons 
> of musicians over the years that will tell you technical brilliance, 
> adhering to A440 and other such "insider" gibberish is only a part of 
> what jazz or music of any kind for that matter is all about.
>
> Can we get back to sharing, talking about and figuring out how to 
> attract more audience to our transmitters?  We just lost 30 hours of 
> programming at 'CPN, we've lost WBEZ/Chicago jazz programming 
> completely,  KKJZ/Los Angeles is in dire straits, others will fall 
> sooner or later.  I sometimes feel like we are like fish in a barrel 
> where someone who has a pistol is looking in that barrel and fires a 
> shot into the barrel.  One of us gets hit, maimed or killed and the 
> others will pause to say, "Wow!  That's too bad."  Then we keep 
> swimming until someone else gets shot.  All the while, we are all in 
> the same barrel.  You may not have gotten hit but we are all affected.
>
> There has been a recent study about NPR stations that characterizes 
> each station as a soarer, treader or sinker.  My station is a 
> treader.  My management is looking for help to become a soarer.  If 
> I'm not mistaken our beloved KUVO in Denver is a treader as well.  Our 
> flagship jazz station WBGO in Newark is considered a sinker.  These 
> are not good signs.
>
> What are you doing in your market that you can share that will help us 
> get better?  It's interesting that Maggie Pelleya got read the riot 
> act by Askia about sending information about WDNA's 10th annual jazz 
> film festival.  It was the post as of recent that had the most meaning 
> for me.  I am in the process of finding out more about how we can do 
> that in Cleveland. Cleveland has two great annual film festivals and 
> they are supported greatly by our community.  Does anyone else do or 
> sponsor their own jazz film festivals?  Can you share more information 
> that may be helpful to WCPN? Events such as this certainly has the 
> potential to attract more audience in an excellent out-of-the-box 
> thinking way.
>
> Yours in A440,
>
> Bobby Jackson
> WCPN-FM/Cleveland, OH
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lazaro Vega" <wblv.wblu.fm at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 1:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [JPL] Phat Band/Bruce Hornsby
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>> Jae: "Intonation. Your word choice is interesting...."different."
>> Funny. Come on Rick...you either play in tune or you don't. You know
>> it and I know it. We're not in Asia or India. Our cultural tuning
>> system is based on A-440 period - mainly because of the piano. Why do
>> so many play out of tune? A lack of fundamentals. Plain and simple.
>> I'm reminded of Max Roach........ When you listen to him with Clifford
>> just about every time he played a four or eight bar break or better
>> yet...a solo.... the tempo picked up - at times dramatically. But when
>> the band came back in he brought the tempo back to where they started.
>> His purpose for this was effectual - and intentional for emotional
>> impact. Same with intonation. If you want to play sharp or flat and
>> stretch tonalities do so as an "effect" and not have that as the
>> means."
>>
>> So we say Jackie McLean and Von Freeman lacked/lack fundementals? Or
>> that Pee Wee Russel should have left the clarinet at home?
>>
>> Braxton's fundementals start with Ornette, Brubeck and Tristano and go
>> from there into experimentalist classical composers who are redefining
>> music basics on their own terms. That's why the music is called
>> "outside." They're outside of expecations or familiarity, and
>> fundementals are open to as much "fuckery" as contour, dymanics,
>> collective improvisations and ensemble organization and
>> disorganization, all the while soloing in a style starting, not with
>> Johnny Hodges, but with the strange and improbable intersection of
>> Paul Desmond and Albert Ayler.
>>
>> I mean, look at Steve Lacy who recorded all kinds of extreme sonic
>> music with electronics, with Evan Parker and Derek Bailey, but who
>> also wrote "Esteem" for Johnny Hodges and led an ensemble who's
>> instrumentation was inspired by the Jimmie Noone Apex Club Orchestra
>> with Earl Hines (clarinet and alto for Noone, soprano and alto for
>> Lacy). Now there's a jazz musician: Steve Lacy. He was able to flow
>> with the one constant in jazz. No not the blues. Change. And he fused
>> music with his interest in literary and painterly masterpieces from
>> his generation, the art song tradition famliar to his wife -- an
>> amazing fusion of influences.
>>
>> To say out pieces or bands don't work because they don't work with
>> inside principals is not meeting the music on it's own terms. Velocity
>> happens -- Braxton's bands during the Arista period played that hard
>> driving angular post-bop that had a strange, accordian like sense of
>> rhythmic tension and release. Mark Helias swung his ass off under
>> Braxton -- Anthony's on top of or ahead of the beat phrasing recalls
>> Stitt, or Earl Bostic - it comes out of the black musical tradition,
>> and then goes very much it's own weird way.
>>
>> And there are many examples of Cecil playing the blues.
>>
>> The blues are all Ornette is about.
>>
>> To tweeze this influence out of them is to deny, or avoid, the effect
>> of the entire melange.
>>
>> If you don't like it, fine by me. If you don't play it, let's hear
>> what you are doing on your terms. But before putting down the out cats
>> please consider Ornette and Albert Ayler were powerful enough
>> musically to turn the head of no less a musician than John Coltrane.
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> This week's sponsor: Christian Jacob Trio CONTRADICTIONS
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> Going for adds July 25th
>
> The new release by the Christian Jacob Trio
> ''Contradictions''. A look at the music of Michel Petrucciani.
>
> Piano: Christian Jacob - Bass: Trey Henry - Drums: Ray Brinker
> Released on label ''Wilderjazz''
>
> ''Contradictions'' focuses on the original composition of the late 
> pianist and composer Michel Petrucciani.
>
> Not only does this project bring our attention back to Michel's great 
> melodies, but it allows Christian to use them as a creative platform 
> for his trio.
>
> For more information or to request an on air copy please contact:
> GROOV Marketing and Consulting
> 877-476-6832
> mark at groovmarketing.com  or  josh at groovmarketing.com
>
> Also feel free to email Christian with any comments or questions: 
> christian at christianjacob.com
>
> Please visit www.wilderjazz.com
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