[JPL] Jazz isn't dying - culture is dying

rick rick at jazzrockworld.com
Mon Jul 31 12:14:48 EDT 2006


Hi Joe,

Point well taken. There's no doubt that while Jazz is a small percentage of
the market, Fusion is even a smaller percentage of Jazz. 

I'm far from an expert at anything in the business and just a fan, however,
there are some common sense deductions and speculations that can be applied.
No right or wrong here, just guessing, because if there was an answer, the
issue wouldn't exist. Obviously it does, so the validity is there, and maybe
it was the harsh approach that should be questioned. That was a gamble on my
part. 

How to make fusion more profitable? I don't have a clue and I doubt there is
a simple answer to that question. I think that a public radio pledge drive
is a good example of the realities involved, but not necessarily a good
barometer overall. Traditional Jazz has a legitimate market share, however,
Fusion isn't even on the map. If you go to any major Internet music provider
such as Yahoo Music, MSN, iTunes, Real, etc. they all have a Jazz section,
but none of them have a fusion section, or if they do, it's not the fusion
I'm talking about - played by Jazz musicians. That speaks volumes. 

I also think that if a radio station sticks to nothing but the profitable,
then they just shut the door. 

Again, I'm only guessing, but there must be some kind of common ground that
would allow Jazz stations to embrace ALL the many forms of Jazz. As we both
have said - where else would someone expect to hear fusion, if not on a Jazz
station?

I'm going to make the suggestion (because I can) that it's places like this
list that can actually do something about this. I'm just one guy that that
chose to take my campaign directly to the source so to speak. In reality,
I'm looking to you (broadcasters) for answers. After all, you're the
professionals, not me. 

Best,

Rick 





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Here's the public radio business side to this thread........for almost six
years I hosted a contemporary jazz fusion show on Monday evenings. Got tons
of calls on the show. It included groups and artists such as Vital
Information, Scott Henderson, Return To Forever, Planet X, MMW, and a
kzillion other "fusion"  and some "jam band" artists and ensembles. During
the fundraisers revenue dropped about 80 percent during this show. The
average pledge was $35 vs $120 for other parts of my jazz programming -
which is acoustic oriented. After budget cuts we no longer could afford to
continue airing the show. 
   
  Now considering most public radio outlets don't have advertising budgets -
particularly for their music programming and we're non commercial, any loss
or drop of revenue is unacceptable. Rick, your passion for this music is
shared by many but unfortunately it doesn't translate to $$$ when aired on
the radio. I found that strange because these CD's sell like hot cakes and
for live shows the audiences are considerably larger but that's the reality.
You have some visibility now on this list so since you're on us programmers
about presenting a "myopic" format, why don't you share with us some of your
programming wisdom that could make fusion more profitable on public radio -
since we're the only electronic media outlet likely to even consider
presenting it? 
   
  Jae Sinnett
  WHRV FM
  Norfolk VA   

rick <rick at jazzrockworld.com> wrote:
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Hi Ed,

The point was about confinement, closed parameters, limits, boundaries. 

I was trying to make the point that there are many sub-styles of Jazz that
are still played heavily on the radio - EXCEPT for Jazz Rock Fusion. All
around the world Jazz Rock Fusion is considered Jazz, except here. In the
bigger picture Jazz Rock Fusion is the natural next phase of Jazz. 

Just to be even clearer, I'm not referring to popular smooth Jazz, but the
genuinely talented, educated, highly creative, and improvisational based
music made by musicians that embrace the original vibe and groove of the
Jazz Rock pioneers. The perfect example was already mentioned - where would
someone expect to hear the new Adam Holzman Cd if not a Jazz station? All
the musicians I interviewed for my article seemed to agree that real Fusion
is played by Jazz musicians and it's confirmed by its acceptance as Jazz
worldwide, except here. 

What's up with that?

The Question remains...

Best,

Rick

P.S. As a die hard Fusion fan, even I consider some of Miles' electric stuff
a "hard listen" but the genre itself isn't confined to "Dark Funk" as many
have labeled that "Dark Magus", or Hancock's "Mwandishi" period. 




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In a message dated 7/31/2006 12:45:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rick at jazzrockworld.com writes:
<<..

Why is
the Jazz community here so willing to sacrifice the very principle and
spirit of the Jazz art form and confine itself to acoustic Be-bop and
completely ignore Modern Electric Jazz?..>>

You make it sound like it's intentional, or some sort of conspiracy. Here's
a theory: maybe it has to do with what we like.

Ed




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vibrancy of the playing, the wit and sass of the arrangements, uncovers the
genetic code that makes Bennie Moten and Prince funk-soul brothers of the
first order. All this, without once conjuring the snoot of academe or
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genetic code that makes Bennie Moten and Prince funk-soul brothers of the
first order. All this, without once conjuring the snoot of academe or
dreaded notions of ''post-modern jazz.''

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trumpet), Ben Allison (bass) Peter Apfelbaum (tenor) Charlie Burnham
(violin) Clark Gayton (trombone), Erik Lawrence (baritone, soprano) Matt
Munisteri (guitar, banjo, vocal), Ben Perowsky (drums) Doug Wieselman
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