[JPL] Jazz isn't dying - culture is dying

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Mon Jul 31 13:08:25 EDT 2006


Rick:

I appreciate your passion for "jazz-rock fusion." I, too, was very 
excited by the creativity I heard when the genre first came into being, 
in the late '60s/early '70s --particularly the likes of electric 
Weather Report, Return to Forever and the Mahavishnu Orchestra. 

And I'm very much a fan of some of what I like to refer to as 
the "jazzy jam bands," including MMW, Charlie Hunter, Scofield's 
funk/fusion projects, Galactic and similarly tinted projects by 
musicians better known for acoustic work, including Christian McBride, 
Roy Hargrove, Nicholas Payton, Branford Marsalis, etc. I see these 
bands as indirect descendents of the fusion movement.  

A question and a couple of thoughts.

How, exactly, do you define "jazz-rock fusion"? Does it simply refer to 
any jazz-related music that's electric, plugged in, rather than 
acoustic? Music that combines rock rhythms with some combination of 
jazz-related harmonies? What are the parameters of the genre? If it's 
amorphous and undefined as it seems to be, then who's to say what it 
is, and what it is not, and whether programmers play enough jazz rock 
fusion.   

>From my POV, jazz has always been about a fusion of elements, going all 
the way back to the fusion of African, European and Caribbean elements 
that took place at Congo Square in New Orleans.

Also, I beg to differ with your suggestion that "Jazz Rock Fusion is 
the natural next phase of jazz." That might have been true 30-40 years 
ago, when the genre was born. But much of the music from that genre and 
that time sounds as moldy and dated to today's listeners (and to my 
ears) as '40s big-band swing did to young listeners of the '70s.  

(PLEASE don't get me wrong here -- there are plenty big bands from 
the '40s and fusion groups from the '70s that I still like and still 
listen to).   

In my view, if jazz is evolving in any new directions and/or morphing 
into new forms, it's moving in the direction of incorporating elements 
from hip-hop, electronic music and various strains of so-called world 
music -- Africa, India, etc.     

----- Original Message -----
From: rick <rick at jazzrockworld.com>
Date: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:26 am
Subject: RE: [JPL] Jazz isn't dying - culture is dying
To: 'Jazz Programmers Mailing List' <jazzproglist at jazzweek.com>

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> Hi Ed,
> 
> The point was about confinement, closed parameters, limits, 
> boundaries. 
> 
> I was trying to make the point that there are many sub-styles of 
> Jazz that
> are still played heavily on the radio - EXCEPT for Jazz Rock 
> Fusion. All
> around the world Jazz Rock Fusion is considered Jazz, except here. 
> In the
> bigger picture Jazz Rock Fusion is the natural next phase of Jazz. 
> 
> Just to be even clearer, I'm not referring to popular smooth Jazz, 
> but the
> genuinely talented, educated, highly creative, and improvisational 
> basedmusic made by musicians that embrace the original vibe and 
> groove of the
> Jazz Rock pioneers. The perfect example was already mentioned - 
> where would
> someone expect to hear the new Adam Holzman Cd if not a Jazz 
> station? All
> the musicians I interviewed for my article seemed to agree that 
> real Fusion
> is played by Jazz musicians and it's confirmed by its acceptance 
> as Jazz
> worldwide, except here. 
> 
> What's up with that?
> 
> The Question remains...
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rick
> 
> P.S. As a die hard Fusion fan, even I consider some of Miles' 
> electric stuff
> a "hard listen" but the genre itself isn't confined to "Dark Funk" 
> as many
> have labeled that "Dark Magus", or Hancock's "Mwandishi" period. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> EdBride at aol.comSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 5:41 AM
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> In a message dated 7/31/2006 12:45:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rick at jazzrockworld.com writes:
> <<..
> 
> Why  is
> the Jazz community here so willing to sacrifice the very principle 
> and
> spirit of the Jazz art form and confine itself to acoustic Be-bop  and
> completely ignore Modern Electric Jazz?..>>
> 
> You make it sound like it's intentional, or some sort of 
> conspiracy. Here's
> a theory: maybe it has to do with what we like.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
> 
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> Bernstein's arrangements like the tangiest Kansas City barbecue. The
> selection of tunes includes classic '20s fare (Charlie Johnson's 
> &quot;Boyin the Boat,&quot; Bennie Moten's &quot;Toby&quot;) and 
> the kind of
> contemporary pop and R&amp;B hits (Prince's &quot;Darling Nikki,&quot;
> Stevie Wonder's &quot;Signed, Sealed, Delivered&quot;) that have 
> long been
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> sass of the arrangements, uncovers the genetic code that makes 
> Bennie Moten
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> Munisteri (guitar, banjo, vocal), Ben Perowsky (drums) Doug Wieselman
> (clarinet, tenor saxophone) and special guest Doug Wamble (guitar, 
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> 
> MTO Volume 1 is the debut album from Steven Bernstein's Millennial 
> Territory Orchestra.  The nine-piece outfit features some of 
> Gotham's most original musical voices, wicked and well-traveled 
> improvisers who tear into and savor Bernstein's arrangements like 
> the tangiest Kansas City barbecue. The selection of tunes includes 
> classic '20s fare (Charlie Johnson's ''Boy in the Boat,'' Bennie 
> Moten's ''Toby'') and the kind of contemporary pop and R&amp;B 
> hits (Prince's ''Darling Nikki,'' Stevie Wonder's ''Signed, 
> Sealed, Delivered'') that have long been part of Bernstein's 
> repertoire. The vibrancy of the playing, the wit and sass of the 
> arrangements, uncovers the genetic code that makes Bennie Moten 
> and Prince funk-soul brothers of the first order. All this, 
> without once conjuring the snoot of academe or dreaded notions of 
> ''post-modern jazz.''
> 
> The Millennial Territory Orchestra is:  Steven Bernstein (trumpet, 
> slide trumpet), Ben Allison (bass) Peter Apfelbaum (tenor) Charlie 
> Burnham (violin) Clark Gayton (trombone), Erik Lawrence (baritone, 
> soprano) Matt Munisteri (guitar, banjo, vocal), Ben Perowsky 
> (drums) Doug Wieselman (clarinet, tenor saxophone) and special 
> guest Doug Wamble (guitar, vocal) on ''Signed, Sealed &amp; 
> Delivered''
> IN STORES 8/1.
> 
> AT RADIO...right...about.....now.  Got it?  Hope so.
> 
> Contact:
> Garrett Shelton at Sunnyside Records  - garrett at sunnysiderecords.com
> 
> Also check out:  www.stevenbernstein.net
> 
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