[JPL] Black vs White

Bradley M. Stone bstone at science.sjsu.edu
Wed Nov 8 09:18:07 EST 2006


Bobby,
 
Great to read your well-articulated thoughts on this subject.
 
I recall the Kenny G "snippet" being played, with Gary Vercelli's response - but my recollection is that this took place at one of the Gavin Conventions in S.F. at the St. Francis Hotel.  It was a Juke Box Jury that you and Gary served on, and Joe Cohn was the perpetrator of that snippet (he put the music together for that panel).
 
Aloha,
 
Brad

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Dr. and this esteemed panel,

We talked about this earlier and yes indeed, it is sad that racial lines are
still being drawn today even in jazz.  I share your anger. I don't really
see the racial lines being drawn so much by record companies except in some
instances where a label may showcase white female vocalists ad infinitum and
black female vocalists are practically nonexistent.  There are labels out
here that practice that perhaps consciously or subconsciously.  I honestly
don't know what that's all about.  It may just be perception on my part but
I'm sure there are others on this list that have a similar sense about that.

I do however see racial lines being drawn in radio.  We struggle so much to
keep this music alive in our markets on the air.  Is race part of that
equation?  As Jae recently articulated to us about all of his stations
archived jazz albums being unceremoniously bounced into the "dumbsters"
coupled with his comments about how classical music is perceived to be
better or more refined than the music we all have chosen to shepherd and be
a gate keeper for.  There is a ring of some ugly truths in his words.

Perhaps the most blatant example of this was when the so-called
contemporary/fusion jazz stations changed their formats and used the
so-called "smooth jazz" monicker.  Musicians such as Roy Ayers, Bobbi
Humphrey, Lonnie Liston Smith, Ronnie Laws, The Crusaders, etc. etc. woke up
one day to find their new music not being added to those stations play lists
and their classic hits taken away as well.  Instead they were replaced by
white acts as well as pop staples such as Lionel Richie, Luther Vandross,
The Temptations, Dionne Warwick, Michael McDonald and Sade to name a few.
The originators of that contemporary jazz sound with fender rhode pianos,
electric bass and guitars, funk elements, so on and so forth were
systematically "researched out" for a blander kind of listening experience.
Smooth jazz became the latest "elevator music" on the radio.   It was
shameless then and it is still pervasive on that side of the music.  If you
question this just check the latest JazzWeek charts. If you look at their
playlists today you will see the glaring disparity.  It is screaming right
off the charts for all to see.

I sat on a panel in Cleveland during one Tri-C JazzFest event where this
very issue was discussed.  One of the participants on the panel was the
program director of our local smooth station, Bernie Kimble.  I asked him
what was "smooth jazz?"  He answered, "it's not music, it's a lifestyle
choice."  Stations like his played all of these people aforementioned in the
paragraph above before the change instituted by the consulting company
Broadcast Architecture.  They changed everything for about 60% of smooth
radio stations that use their consultancy and account for about 80% of the
smooth jazz listening audiences across the nation.

Groups such as Pat Metheny, Jean-Luc Ponty, The Yellowjackets and others
were eliminated too but to a much larger extent black bands such as Ayers,
Dr. Donald Byrd, Billy Cobham so on and so forth took a much bigger hit than
their white counterparts.    It's a shame that they used to word jazz to
push music that represents a "Lifestyle Choice" without addressing the
fundamentals of jazz music first and not allowing people like Herbie
Hancock, Wayne Shorter, Miles Davis, Jeff Lorber, George Howard and others
who purveyed contemporary jazz in the first place to have a home on the
radio here in these United States where we can still hear that music with as
much regularity as we hear Dexter Gordon, Coleman Hawkins, Eric Dolphy,
Clifford Brown or some of the giants who made the music happen on the public
radio side where we deliver the acoustic side of jazz.  The irony of this is
these musicians (the ones still living anyway) have not stopped working.
It's what they do.  Instead, their music is still heard regularly around the
globe, everywhere except in the country that created it.  There are a new
assortment of bands that have taken the torch from Cobham and the
Yellowjackets and others and these bands are still moving the music forward.
You can hear it if you tune to stations Europe, Japan, South America, South
Africa and other places that continue to provide a home for the originators
of contemporary jazz and their offspring.  It's ironic and it is no wonder
that foreign audiences have fostered a greater appreciation for and are more
astute about music that originated out of our own United States Of America;
our culture.  Today, they are hipper than we are because their exposure to
the new groups has not lapsed.  Is racism at work here?  It is THE
sixty-four dollar question.

One might argue that the music doesn't have much content to it but I
disagree.  Much of that music was very complex and innovative as we've
talked about on this very panel.  I am also reminded of attending a Jazz
Times convention one particular year in New York where then KXJZ-FM
Sacramento, CA music director Gary Vercelli presided over a Jukebox Jury
session.  It actually was the first panel I've ever participated on in a
national forum.  Vercelli played a snippet of a performance by a soprano
saxophonist taking a burning solo and asked panelist and music director Gary
Walker of WBGO-FM what did he think about it.  Walker gave it favorable
marks and told the room how he would choose to daypart it.  After all that,
Vercelli revealed the player to be none other than Kenny G performing on a
"live" recording.  I will always remember the snickering and gasps of jazz
professionals of all description in attendance moving like waves crashing
across the room.

Aloha,


Bobby Jackson
WCPN-FM
Cleveland, OH
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> Sad - just sad.
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> Will it ever stop?
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> I received an email today from someone in our industry that really pissed
> me
> off.
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> The person asked if one of my client labels "...EVER record any non-white
> artists?"
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> To say I was taken a back would be an understatement indeed!  I replied
> that
> up to to the point of receiving the email in question, in the 27 years in
> this business, the question never entered my mind.  The reply I received
> was:
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> "...Yes, and unfortunately that's the historic position white folks have
> taken...  "You" never see such disparities unless "we" point them out."
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> Your thoughts?
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