[JPL] Black vs White

Jae Sinnett jaejazz at yahoo.com
Wed Nov 8 13:56:22 EST 2006


Well Dr. if it's "not worth your energy" then why bring it up to the JPL? I'm surprised that you're surprised and apparently offended by that person's initial question. Racism exists and as a result perceptions are easily created. You know this. That's a sad commentary but it's fact. My guess is that this person's living experiences are very different than yours and they obviously see the world from a different perspective. From my point of view we need to see and hear these things because they should make us better people and perhaps lead us into wanting to eradicate the things that would make someone feel they would need to ask such a question in the first place. I'm reminded of the movie "White Man's Burden." Dark and funny as hell but it's a profound statement in how the "dominant" culture gets to see it from the "other" perspective. 
   
  Jae Sinnett
   
  
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Actually Eric, I will not mention it to the label because it is not worth 
my energy or their concern! What message do you want them to "get"? That 
their music isn't of sufficient quality because of the color of any of 
their artists? What if one of their groups is half white half black? Do 
they get partial "credit"?

I have received several replies to my initial posting via private email. I 
would like to post one here:

"Well, as I indicated before I'm not going to step into this particular 
cowpie, because no matter how delicately a response is phrased, one will 
still come up smelling like sheeee-itttt.

However, the implication seems to be we should examine the artist roster 
and output of each label and play only those labels that meet (our?/ 
someone else's?) criterion for a certain percentage (to be determined) of 
Black artists vs. White artists. Is that right?
Shouldn't ability to play one's ax and produce some artful music be a 
factor in our consideration?

Sounds like we're being asked to use the same criterion for choosing 
musicians that we use to hire day laborers."

-Dr.


At 12:20 PM 11/8/2006, you wrote:
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>On Wednesday 08 November 2006 11:42, Bob Stockton wrote:
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> > Well, the question may have arisen from frustration of the "closed door,"
> > or a particularly bad day, but why ask Dr. Jazz? Why not ask someone at
> > the label in question?
>
>You may have answered your own question. The question really might have been
>asked out of frustration. With all due respect to Dr., in one sense he is
>representing the record company. Also, in the past I knew people who worked
>at many of the labels. I don't know as many people at the labels partially
>because the labels use indies for promotion. I wouldn't know who to call at
>some of the labels. Who would I call at Verve? Who would I call at Sony? Who
>would I call at Arabesque? For the most part my contact with these labels is
>through the person doing the promotion.
>
>My guess is that since Dr. was bothered and concerned enough to mention this
>to us, he most likely will mention it to the record company. They will get
>the message.
>
>Eric Jackson
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jazzrockworld" 
> > To: "'Jazz Programmers Mailing List'" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:34 AM
> > Subject: RE: [JPL] Black vs White
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> > Two cents:
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> > Eric,
> >
> > I think the concept of the question "needing" to be asked at all, is the
> > issue. The question itself is frighteningly valid. Maybe I'm being a little
> > too "in a perfect world", but that just seems the way it should be to me.
> >
> > Rick Calic
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> > [mailto:jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com] On Behalf Of Eric Jackson
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> > On Tuesday 07 November 2006 16:27, Dr. Jazz wrote:
> > > I received an email today from someone in our industry that really
> > > pissed me off.
> > >
> > > The person asked if one of my client labels "...EVER record any
> > > non-white artists?"
> >
> > That seems like a valid question to me if the label has been around for
> > awhile and has recorded a number of different artists.
> >
> > > To say I was taken a back would be an understatement indeed! I replied
> > > that up to to the point of receiving the email in question, in the 27
> >
> > years
> >
> > > in this business, the question never entered my mind. The reply I
> >
> > received
> >
> > > was:
> > >
> > > "...Yes, and unfortunately that's the historic position white folks have
> > > taken... "You" never see such disparities unless "we" point them out."
> >
> > Some years ago every one at WGBH was required to attend a two day
> > sensitivity
> > session. The sessions lasted for about a week and everyone was required to
> > attend 2 days. The station even arranged subs for me so that I could
> > attend.
> >
> > One of the things I remember from the sessions was the idea that the
> > dominant
> > culture often doesn't see the problems other groups are having. "What
> > problem?" Men didn't see the problem with the treatment of women in this
> > country until women started pointing out that they wanted to do more and
> > they
> > were able to do more than have babies and clean house. So in one sense, I
> > think that remark agrees with what I learned in that sensitivity session.
> >
> >
> > Eric Jackson
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> > > Your thoughts?
> > >
> > > -Dr.
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