[JPL] carney-rollini

Tom Reney tr at wfcr.org
Sun Sep 3 19:15:30 EDT 2006


Jae:
I would dispute the drawing of distinctions between Adrian Rollini and Harry 
Carney on a matter of blues tonality, and I don't think there's that much 
difference in terms of the fundamentals of rhythm and harmony either, at 
least not in the 20's and '30's.  Like Coleman Hawkins, who was his major 
influence, Carney had a heavily-arpeggiated, vertical conception.  His 
attack was far more up and down than the legato, horizontal approach of 
blues-oriented players.  Over the years, the influence of Johnny Hodges (one 
of the great innovators of a vertical/horizontal synthesis) became somewhat 
more pronounced in Carney's playing, but there's far more similarity than 
difference between Rollini and Carney back in the day.  Moreover, it's 
Carney who continually singled Rollini out for praise and acknowledgment.
Tom


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> For sure Tom I'm very aware there were others playing baritone but none 
> brought it to the forefront of II V swinging jazz like Carney did. There 
> are fundamental rhythmic, conceptual and harmonic differences in so called 
> traditional jazz vs New Orleans jazz or classic. The beat and phrasing was 
> different and the harmonic direction of Carney....like Ellington....  was 
> based on blues tonality. That wasn't the case with Rollini but never the 
> less technically he was an influential improviser that brought an 
> interesting sort of musicality to a rather strange instrument.
>
>  Jae
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> The 1954 Clef session was billed as Harry Carney With Strings, but it's 
> been
> reissued in a multiple-session set under Ben Webster's name entitled Music
> for Loving. The Carney billing remains intact on this 2-CD set, but the 8
> titles recorded under his name didn't constitute enough material for a CD
> release of its own; still, Verve should have listed it under Webster and
> Carney's names.
>
> Carney is only arguably the "first out of the gate." Coleman Hawkins, 
> Eddie
> Barefield, and Jack Washington were playing substantial ensemble passages 
> on
> baritone contemporaneously with Carney; no doubt others too. One is in
> murky waters when trying to determine firsts in jazz of this period; the
> music was only beginning to be documented on records in any substantial
> manner from 1923, but it's got a lineage that precedes recordings.
>
> And don't forget the amazing Adrian Rollini, who recorded prolifically 
> with
> the California Ramblers between 1922 and '27, later with Goodman, 
> Teagarden,
> his own groups. While he played the bass saxophone, Rollini was truly a
> primary model for these and many other players of the bari and other 
> reeds.
> Rollin's intonation, sound and fluid style astonished Carney, Barefield, 
> and
> Budd Johnson. Carney said he tried to make his upper register sound like
> Hawk's tenor, and his lower like Rollini's bass. When Wynton Marsalis
> polled a number of jazz greats on their favorite solos for his NPR series
> Making the Music, Gerry Mulligan cited a 1933 recording featuring Rollini,
> whom he mistook to be playing a baritone. It's worth noting that Rollini
> used a baritone mouthpiece and reeds, and he had the neck of his bass
> saxophone customized to be more like that of a bari.
>
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