[JPL] Stephen Colbert disses John Zorn

Dr. Jazz drjazz at drjazz.com
Sun Sep 24 23:37:05 EDT 2006


Eric,

Hey, it's a comedy show!  Enjoy the moment!

-Dr.

At 10:53 PM 9/24/2006, you wrote:
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>I also think people are forgetting the power of the "soundbite".  Colbert 
>(or anyone, really) could play a 10 second snippet from Ornette Coleman's 
>"Free Jazz", Coltrane's "Ascension", Ayler's "Spiritual Unity", or Miles' 
>"On The Corner" and if appropriately chosen it could sound extraordinarily 
>harsh to the unsuspecting ear.  Yet, these are generally regarded as 
>classic recordings.  The "50th Birthday Celebration" CDs by Zorn vary in 
>genre, but the jazz volumes (especially the Electric Masada) should be 
>listened to by anyone with even a passing interest in the evolving state 
>of jazz in the 21st century.
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>KRFC, Fort Collins
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> > I'm starting to think that many people are missing the point or are so
> > unfamiliar with Zorn's work that they can only speak from ignorance.
> > Zorn would never identify himself as a "jazz" artist; his musical world
> > view is much more encompassing than that. He does totally free improv
> > within very calculated structures... or very noisy and painful Japanese
> > punk metal... or film scores... or classically commissioned chamber
> > music... or brilliant Morricone tribute albums...or re-inventions of
> > klezmer music. Jazz is merely one reference point in his protean
> > vocabulary.
> >
> > Steve Hahn/KUAZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Greetings Group...
> >
> > Interesting point, Bill!
> >
> > But I also agree with Bobby Jackson to some extent -- i.e. Zorn gets
> > no MAINSTREAM jazz airplay but he is very popular at college radio as
> > are recordings by other artists on his label Tzadik.
> >
> > Speaking of Tzadik -- my gripe with Zorn is how cheap he has been
> > with said label -- only his own recordings get any type of promotion
> > whereas I gather other artists whose CDs are released on Tzadik must
> > not only pay for their own promotions but must also pay 50% of list
> > price for any CDs they would want to use as promos making the cost in
> > product and postage alone more than most artists can afford to pay
> > not to mention a fee for PR or radio.
> >
> > Maybe Zorn will use some of his $500K to promote the music of others
> > on his label or at least to make it easier for them to promote their
> > music themselves if they choose to do so.
> >
> > That said even though I am promoting my new radio show on Georgia
> > Public Broadcasting called "Jazz Without Borders" as being for people
> > whose taste in jazz runs from Adderley to Zorn, not since Stanley
> > Crouch got HIS MacArthur Grant have I scratched my head and wonder
> > who makes the decisions there!  I would name dozens of artists I'd
> > award such funds to before I got to Zorn.
> >
> > Mitchell
> > [JPL] Stephen Colbert disses John Zorn
> >
> > Bill Anschell billanschell at mindspring.com
> > Sun Sep 24 01:56:23 EDT 2006
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> > Hmmm... Are people missing the fact that Colbert almost always means
> > the opposite of what he says?  I love the show, and it's all about
> > his particular brand of irony.  Whether talking about politics, art
> > or any other subject, he wears the reactionary persona like a set of
> > bad clothes and invites people to see right through it.  What I
> > thought was most interesting was that he went out of his way to name
> > both the cut and the album it was from.  I'll bet Zorn gets a huge
> > spike of interest from that segment, especially since Colbert's
> > audience is probably a relatively progressive set of viewers.
> >
> > --Bill Anschell
> >
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> >
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> >  > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:18 PM
> >  > Subject: RE: Re: [JPL] Stephen Colbert disses John Zorn
> >  >
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> >  > I'm sure we all recall how Roy Eldridge made similar comments about
> >  > Bird's music back in the day...
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> >  > From: jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com on behalf of Bobby Jackson
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> >  > After viewing the video of Stephen Colbert dissing Zorn I can only
> >  > say that
> >  > the cut Colbert played personified the sound of a cat, a mouse, and
> >  > shrieking in a garbage can falling down a flight of carpeted stairs
> >  > after
> >  > swallowing balloons.  I couldn't agree with him more.  I actually
> >  > liked his
> >  > performance with Kareem Jabbar better but they still get NO airplay.
> >  >
> >  > Aloha,
> >  >
> >  > Bobby Jackson
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> >  > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:17 PM
> >  > Subject: RE: Re: [JPL] Stephen Colbert disses John Zorn
> >  >
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> >  >> Hey Rob,
> >  >>
> >  >> Of course I am no authority on the radio play part, but I wanted
> >  >> to put in
> >  >> a
> >  >> vote for the Masada record Alef (which it totally unbelievable -
> > Jae,
> >  >> check
> >  >> out Joey Baron's ride cymbal - completely dry, sounds like a
> > freaking
> >  >> garbage can lid or something - but absolutely burning...).
> >  >>
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> >  >> From: jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com
> >  >> [mailto:jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com] On Behalf Of Hoff,
> > Robert
> >  >> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:09 PM
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> >  >> So, here's my question:  How often does Zorn get airplay on jazz
> >  >> radio?
> >  >> I've gotten positive response to his live Masada recordings and
> >  >> especially
> >  >> to Zorn's The Gift.
> >  >>
> >  >> Rob Hoff
> >  >> JazzFlight
> >  >> WQLN
> >  >> Erie, PA
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >> -----Original Message-----
> >  >> From: jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com on behalf of Forrest
> > Bryant
> >  >> Sent: Sat 9/23/2006 7:11 PM
> >  >> To: Jazz Programmers Mailing List
> >  >> Subject: Re: Re: [JPL] Stephen Colbert disses John Zorn
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> >  >> Also here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rmQK7rLOg8
> >  >>
> >  >> [FB]
> >  >>
> >  >>
> >  >>> -------------------------------------------
> >  >>> > Stephen Colbert on John Zorn's MacArther grant:
> >  >>> > http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?
> > ml_video=75700
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