[JPL] Stephen Colbert disses John Zorn

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Mon Sep 25 00:57:22 EDT 2006


Dr. -

I did !!  I love Steve Colbert & his show.  I thought it was hilarious.  

I was just defending Zorn a bit, as it seemed he was getting attacked.

Oh well, to each his own, I suppose.

- Eric

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> Eric,
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> Hey, it's a comedy show!  Enjoy the moment!
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> -Dr.
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> At 10:53 PM 9/24/2006, you wrote:
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> >Steve,
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> >I also think people are forgetting the power of the "soundbite".  Colbert 
> >(or anyone, really) could play a 10 second snippet from Ornette Coleman's 
> >"Free Jazz", Coltrane's "Ascension", Ayler's "Spiritual Unity", or Miles' 
> >"On The Corner" and if appropriately chosen it could sound extraordinarily 
> >harsh to the unsuspecting ear.  Yet, these are generally regarded as 
> >classic recordings.  The "50th Birthday Celebration" CDs by Zorn vary in 
> >genre, but the jazz volumes (especially the Electric Masada) should be 
> >listened to by anyone with even a passing interest in the evolving state 
> >of jazz in the 21st century.
> >
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> > > I'm starting to think that many people are missing the point or are so
> > > unfamiliar with Zorn's work that they can only speak from ignorance.
> > > Zorn would never identify himself as a "jazz" artist; his musical world
> > > view is much more encompassing than that. He does totally free improv
> > > within very calculated structures... or very noisy and painful Japanese
> > > punk metal... or film scores... or classically commissioned chamber
> > > music... or brilliant Morricone tribute albums...or re-inventions of
> > > klezmer music. Jazz is merely one reference point in his protean
> > > vocabulary.
> > >
> > > Steve Hahn/KUAZ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Greetings Group...
> > >
> > > Interesting point, Bill!
> > >
> > > But I also agree with Bobby Jackson to some extent -- i.e. Zorn gets
> > > no MAINSTREAM jazz airplay but he is very popular at college radio as
> > > are recordings by other artists on his label Tzadik.
> > >
> > > Speaking of Tzadik -- my gripe with Zorn is how cheap he has been
> > > with said label -- only his own recordings get any type of promotion
> > > whereas I gather other artists whose CDs are released on Tzadik must
> > > not only pay for their own promotions but must also pay 50% of list
> > > price for any CDs they would want to use as promos making the cost in
> > > product and postage alone more than most artists can afford to pay
> > > not to mention a fee for PR or radio.
> > >
> > > Maybe Zorn will use some of his $500K to promote the music of others
> > > on his label or at least to make it easier for them to promote their
> > > music themselves if they choose to do so.
> > >
> > > That said even though I am promoting my new radio show on Georgia
> > > Public Broadcasting called "Jazz Without Borders" as being for people
> > > whose taste in jazz runs from Adderley to Zorn, not since Stanley
> > > Crouch got HIS MacArthur Grant have I scratched my head and wonder
> > > who makes the decisions there!  I would name dozens of artists I'd
> > > award such funds to before I got to Zorn.
> > >
> > > Mitchell
> > > [JPL] Stephen Colbert disses John Zorn
> > >
> > > Bill Anschell billanschell at mindspring.com
> > > Sun Sep 24 01:56:23 EDT 2006
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> > > Hmmm... Are people missing the fact that Colbert almost always means
> > > the opposite of what he says?  I love the show, and it's all about
> > > his particular brand of irony.  Whether talking about politics, art
> > > or any other subject, he wears the reactionary persona like a set of
> > > bad clothes and invites people to see right through it.  What I
> > > thought was most interesting was that he went out of his way to name
> > > both the cut and the album it was from.  I'll bet Zorn gets a huge
> > > spike of interest from that segment, especially since Colbert's
> > > audience is probably a relatively progressive set of viewers.
> > >
> > > --Bill Anschell
> > >
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> > >  > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:18 PM
> > >  > Subject: RE: Re: [JPL] Stephen Colbert disses John Zorn
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> > >  > I'm sure we all recall how Roy Eldridge made similar comments about
> > >  > Bird's music back in the day...
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> > >  > -----Original Message-----
> > >  > From: jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com on behalf of Bobby Jackson
> > >  > Sent: Sat 9/23/2006 9:38 PM
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> > >  > After viewing the video of Stephen Colbert dissing Zorn I can only
> > >  > say that
> > >  > the cut Colbert played personified the sound of a cat, a mouse, and
> > >  > shrieking in a garbage can falling down a flight of carpeted stairs
> > >  > after
> > >  > swallowing balloons.  I couldn't agree with him more.  I actually
> > >  > liked his
> > >  > performance with Kareem Jabbar better but they still get NO airplay.
> > >  >
> > >  > Aloha,
> > >  >
> > >  > Bobby Jackson
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> > >  > To: "'Jazz Programmers Mailing List'" <jazzproglist at jazzweek.com>
> > >  > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:17 PM
> > >  > Subject: RE: Re: [JPL] Stephen Colbert disses John Zorn
> > >  >
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> > >  >> Hey Rob,
> > >  >>
> > >  >> Of course I am no authority on the radio play part, but I wanted
> > >  >> to put in
> > >  >> a
> > >  >> vote for the Masada record Alef (which it totally unbelievable -
> > > Jae,
> > >  >> check
> > >  >> out Joey Baron's ride cymbal - completely dry, sounds like a
> > > freaking
> > >  >> garbage can lid or something - but absolutely burning...).
> > >  >>
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> > >  >>
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> > >  >> -----Original Message-----
> > >  >> From: jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com
> > >  >> [mailto:jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com] On Behalf Of Hoff,
> > > Robert
> > >  >> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:09 PM
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> > >  >> So, here's my question:  How often does Zorn get airplay on jazz
> > >  >> radio?
> > >  >> I've gotten positive response to his live Masada recordings and
> > >  >> especially
> > >  >> to Zorn's The Gift.
> > >  >>
> > >  >> Rob Hoff
> > >  >> JazzFlight
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> > >  >> Erie, PA
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> > >  >>
> > >  >> -----Original Message-----
> > >  >> From: jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com on behalf of Forrest
> > > Bryant
> > >  >> Sent: Sat 9/23/2006 7:11 PM
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> > >  >> Also here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rmQK7rLOg8
> > >  >>
> > >  >> [FB]
> > >  >>
> > >  >>
> > >  >>> -------------------------------------------
> > >  >>> > Stephen Colbert on John Zorn's MacArther grant:
> > >  >>> > http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/index.jhtml?
> > > ml_video=75700
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