[JPL] "From the Plantation to the Penitentiary" - to The JazzStandard?

Jae Sinnett jaejazz at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 7 14:01:21 EST 2007


Actually to be honest Jim I did the same thing. I listened to the first track a few times before I came to the conclusion it was intentional. Knowing how meticulous Wynton is I couldn't possibly see how he would let that pass if it wasn't intentional. To me it's reminiscent of the "field hollers" and "shouts." The blues tension was so intense that it could only be a reflection of personal "human" expression - that consequently couldn't be put to manuscript. I could use the term clever in how he merged this but that might imply a negative connotation but I wouldn't be meaning it this way. 
   
  I remember listening to Monk's "Jackie-ing" composition for the first time and hearing how he hit the major and dominant sevenths over one chord. Together. I think it was the Bb chord...hitting the A natural and the Ab. It's been a while. I said what in the world is he doing.......then he hit it again and again. Check that tune out sometime. Wild. So I guess it was meant to be and it certainly had the intended affect....on me. He some how made it work and I think at some point I'll think the same about that opening track on Wynton's CD. It is a risk doing it though.   
   
  Offended would be too extreme Jim. Not at all. Nor do I think you were attacking me personally. I just think when we are responding to a specific persons post then the polite thing to do would be to address that individual - by name - and let folk know who you're responding to. In my opinion it happens to often on this list. For me it's about respect. We don't have to agree at times but we should always respect each other.  
   
  Jae Sinnett 

Jim Wilke <jwilke123 at comcast.net> wrote:
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Thanks for clearing that up, Jae. That sounded really weird to me, 
too, but I decided that's the way it's written for two reasons. It 
occurs more than once in the song, and it's so obvious it couldn't have 
slipped by without notice by WM and everyone else involved. ergo, it 
must have been written that way. It was just too strange an interval 
to have been unintended. I backed it up and listened to it it several 
times before I decided that was no accident (pun intended).

I think her intonation is quite good and I wouldn't be surprised if she 
struggled to hit that note as written. Apparently done for effect, it 
sure doesn't "sound right" in the musical context. If I could be 
permitted one cavil, her voice seems a bit sweet and pleasant for the 
gritty message... e.g. "pimps & hustlers ... I ain't your bitch I ain't 
your ho and public niggerin' has got to go." She has a pleasing voice 
and I'd like to hear more from her.

Overall, I think it's the best of his recent CDs. I'm playing it, but 
I'm also prepared to field response from listeners who think she hit a 
clinker in that first song.

You know what else is weird? Weird is the only word I can think of 
where e comes before i and it's not after a c - or c# . 
pa-dum-CRASH!

Jim

PS, I apologize if I offended you in my last post, Jae. A little 
friendly ribbing is sometimes misunderstood in email. I shouldn't do 
it and I regret it if you felt it was a personal attack. It certainly 
was NOT intended as such.

JW



On Wednesday, March 7, 2007, at 08:35 AM, Jae Sinnett wrote:

> Be careful not to confuse her intonation with the dissonance 
> underneath her.....particularly in that first track. The song is 
> purposely written and arranged this way and I understand very clearly 
> why someone would say it's out of tune - because the tension makes it 
> sound that way. 

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