[JPL] Younger people on the radio

Jae Sinnett jaejazz at yahoo.com
Fri Mar 9 11:48:50 EST 2007


To the contrary, jazz is not on it's way out. To say that for me is like saying folk don't want to create music anymore that is meaningful, visionary and profound because I don't hear any other music that is played at the level of creativity today. It's also saying that folk don't want to embrace music at this level anymore. I don't agree with that but I will say those that do live in this very unique world by "today's" standards don't have to worry about neighbors being three from them. It's a smaller world and for me I really like that little place and I bet many on this list do as well.  A little of what I think jazz "represents" from it's historical intentions........ 
   
  It's inception firstly had nothing to do with commerce but more to do with deep self expression. It's American rhythmic interpretation morph itself into a "swinging" style base on eighth notes. Now saying this the perspective wasn't necessary to constantly play it this way always but that was the foundation. You swing when you play jazz. Fusion didn't swing from this point of view but the level of performance was very artistic, technique driven and thought provoking. Then the harmonic structures became more advanced in jazz in the 40's simply because being mainly an improvisational - and a progression from dance music...... the musicians...that could play....wanted something more interesting and challenging to solo through. Certain artists now wanted folk to listen to them perform just like in the classical arenas....sit and listen. Some didn't like that because it was no longer a dance music mainly but now a listening type. Cool for me. This is the fun and beautiful
 thing of the creative part of playing jazz and what I truly believe was the unspoken train of thought and it's core intention with the majority of artists after the 40's. 
   
  Then bring in commerce...... The art suffered......the rhythms straightened out and the harmony became considerably simpler. The main point of interest now was to sell records instead of creating high level, interesting and thought provoking music. The business realized that the majority of the listening public didn't understand this creativity so decided it was easier to play into it than fight it. Because we're such a trendy society these things now play stronger with media which focuses on what's popular for the moment and don't stay significant for more than six weeks.
   
   Now the textures .....(keyboards mainly) .....started dominating the music. These were "textural" innovations...not musical. Today we have folk who never have played jazz, studied jazz, taught jazz, lived jazz, work jazz.......telling us what jazz is or isn't. I've heard many non jazz musicians dis jazz but then I started to realize much of this is coming from the fact that they can't play it so now it's time to dis it. Same with many listeners....they don't really understand it so now it's just elitist or high brow music for the uppity. Please. Public radio was created so we can present the ulternative to that mentality. Period. Budget considerations have re-shaped some thinking but all in all this is the core mission. So now here we are talking about "European" jazz or this or that. Really? Not one shred of blues or swing but it's cool because it's not like great American jazz. Are we supposed to like it because of that? I love ECM even though most of those recordings
 have little to do with blues but the artistic content is on a high level. Blues is an American demonstration folks and the foundation of jazz which breathes that emotional life into it so we can "feel" what we hear. I don't think you were talking about ECM though. I know what is happening "now." I hear it all the time and much of it unfortunately lives for a different purpose than what I understand jazz to be. 
   
  Jae Sinnett    

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I think what we should ask ourselves is (like any genre).... What exactly IS 
jazz? What makes one piece of music "jazz" and a more "modern" 
version/interpretation Jazz? Jazz is a "feeling" like blues, rock etc... so, 
what makes a piece jazz in THIS era? I think that's what needs to be 
"identified" in order for the generation of THIS era (and our own) to 
understand... "Who" is making up the rules?

Jazz was a big part of a generation (that we all know) is on it's way off 
the planet. Jazz was an era, a description of what was happening "at the 
time".... SO, what is it NOW?

Food for thought. (?)


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> Jae -
>
> I guess I feel like every jazz programmer brings something different to 
> the table. The younger "second generation" jazz-heads like myself may 
> have a different (and in some people's opinion, less informed) view of 
> what falls under the umbrella of "JAZZ" music, but I say the more people 
> at the table the better. Maybe someone listening to my show might get 
> totally turned on if I play some Grant Green off of "The Final Comedown" 
> and take a second look at what they "think" is jazz. And maybe, just 
> maybe, they might get turned on enough to dig deep and find out who Grant 
> Green is and where he came from and who he played with in his early years 
> and what THAT sounded like, which eventually could open up a whole new 
> world of music to them that they never knew was out there.
>
> - Flash
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: Jae Sinnett 
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>> I think the thing with me is what the announcer knows about this
>> music...regardless of age. I've heard so called young announcers 
>> mis-pronouncing
>> names or incorrectly identifying genres simply because they are not 
>> informed.
>> "Kind Of Blue" is not an avant garde recording.
>>
>> In a lecture I gave years ago for one of the local university mass com
>> departments I suggested that anyone wanting to go on the air as a "jazz" 
>> host
>> should at least take a jazz 101 history course. It's amazing to me in 
>> that with
>> most programs the students aren't required to take this course before 
>> going on
>> air. Young for the sake of young isn't good. Knowledge is.
>>
>> The other side of this is that I've heard younger hosts playing what 
>> many of
>> the younger listeners embrace as jazz.....the jam band
>> thing....sampling....etc.....the fundraising drop about 80 percent during 
>> the
>> drive. There's a fine line here to walk...between maintaining the 
>> integrity of
>> the music (I'm talking level of artistic performance), developing a 
>> strong
>> younger base of listeners with a quality presentation and sustaining a 
>> necessary
>> level of $$$ support. Some are doing it but not many.
>>
>> Jae Sinnett
>>
>> Linda Yohn wrote:
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>> Hello all,
>>
>> Hear, hear for Andy Cook's post on re-vitalizing jazz radio. We have
>> to develop a new talent pool in hosts! We, of aging ears and
>> attitudes must listen to what they have to say and what they might
>> like us to play.
>>
>> I caught myself being "old" on the air the other day. I played Tony
>> DeSare. Then, in my backtag I said "impressive young man". Wrong
>> thing for me to do. Just shoulda said, "he's got it together", or
>> something like that. I can't afford to retire right now, so I've got
>> to stay on the air or at my post at WEMU listening to new trends in
>> music and getting them out to listeners. I have to be in the momement
>> for them. Can't let on that I'm not hip. Anyone who fits in to my
>> demographic (55-ish) should watch out for this tendency to point out
>> the youngness of an artist. That ages the host. Believe me, I'll
>> never do that again.
>>
>> One thing I'm trying to impress upon WEMU hosts is that today's 30-
>> something listener doesn't have the time to hear a dj shuffle through
>> some papers to get information. He or she wants professionalism at
>> the same level as the music. If we can present good music with
>> inspired segues...and lots of it....with little rambling dj
>> chatter....then we can make it with a younger listener who might be
>> tempted to just stick with the Ipod, etc. If an older host can't
>> understand that, he or she will have to go. But, because we do know
>> the music, we can improve on each piece with our segues. A shuffle
>> Ipod can't program with our heart and intelligence. But, if a host
>> can't keep up with the times and understand that listener preferences
>> for the way radio announcers are perceived are changing, then there is
>> room for new hosts who "get it".
>>
>> I'm reviewing an advance or Rachel Z's new CD "Dept. of Good & Evil".
>> Excellent new music. Modern, yet melodic. I'm excited about Pete
>> Levin's new disc, too! Tony Levin is the bassist on both of them.
>>
>> Hey--while WEMU has a stream, if you can, listen in tomorrow (Friday)
>> morning at 11AM ET. Rachel Z. will be my guest and we'll premiere
>> tracks from the new disc. It's official release date is the 13th.
>>
>> Back to the original topic on this post--I'm stuck like a dope with a
>> thing called hope, but I beleive that old dogs can learn new tricks.
>> It is our survival.
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> Linda Yohn
>> WEMU Music Director
>> lyohn at emich.edu
>> 734.487.2229
>> www.wemu.org
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>> with
>> ''Ellington'' and ''Elton Exposed'', Howe's virtuosic piano style and
>> arrangements lead straight to surprise.
>>
>> Featuring the great jazz baritone Giacomo Gates and star of stage, screen 
>> and
>> television, Lainie Kazan on a couple of tunes, Ted Howe delivers a 
>> beautiful
>> recording of masterfully arranged standards (Arlen, Van Heusen, Porter) 
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>> originals; a perfect mix of instrumentals and vocals.
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>> Erskine, Carl Saunders and Scott Whitfield, this all-star big band offers 
>> the
>> listener what they have come to expect from the award-winning, legendary
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>> sound
>> that will put you on the edge of your seat. Spectacular outing!
>>
>> Includes ''Eternal Licks and Grooves'' commissioned by ASCAP and IAJE 
>> honoring
>> Count Basie and ''Appearing In Cleveland'' commissioned by the LA Jazz 
>> Institute
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> TED HOWE ''Love Song'': The third release from Ted invites the listener 
> into a jazz time capsule of love songs. And as fans and critics alike 
> found with ''Ellington'' and ''Elton Exposed'', Howe's virtuosic piano 
> style and arrangements lead straight to surprise.
>
> Featuring the great jazz baritone Giacomo Gates and star of stage, screen 
> and television, Lainie Kazan on a couple of tunes, Ted Howe delivers a 
> beautiful recording of masterfully arranged standards (Arlen, Van Heusen, 
> Porter) and originals; a perfect mix of instrumentals and vocals. 
> http://www.summitrecords.com/product.tmpl?SKU=477
>
> BOB FLORENCE LIMITED EDITION ''Eternal Licks and Grooves'': Featuring 
> Peter Erskine, Carl Saunders and Scott Whitfield, this all-star big band 
> offers the listener what they have come to expect from the award-winning, 
> legendary bandleader Bob Florence - Sensitive yet powerful arrangements 
> with a HUGE sound that will put you on the edge of your seat. Spectacular 
> outing!
>
> Includes ''Eternal Licks and Grooves'' commissioned by ASCAP and IAJE 
> honoring Count Basie and ''Appearing In Cleveland'' commissioned by the LA 
> Jazz Institute honoring Stan Kenton. 
> http://www.summitrecords.com/product.tmpl?SKU=478
>
> Radio and print media promotion by Dr. Jazz, 800-955-4375, 
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ON YOUR DESK THIS WEEK FROM SUMMIT RECORDS:

TED HOWE ''Love Song'': The third release from Ted invites the listener into a jazz time capsule of love songs. And as fans and critics alike found with ''Ellington'' and ''Elton Exposed'', Howe's virtuosic piano style and arrangements lead straight to surprise.

Featuring the great jazz baritone Giacomo Gates and star of stage, screen and television, Lainie Kazan on a couple of tunes, Ted Howe delivers a beautiful recording of masterfully arranged standards (Arlen, Van Heusen, Porter) and originals; a perfect mix of instrumentals and vocals. http://www.summitrecords.com/product.tmpl?SKU=477

BOB FLORENCE LIMITED EDITION ''Eternal Licks and Grooves'': Featuring Peter Erskine, Carl Saunders and Scott Whitfield, this all-star big band offers the listener what they have come to expect from the award-winning, legendary bandleader Bob Florence - Sensitive yet powerful arrangements with a HUGE sound that will put you on the edge of your seat. Spectacular outing!

Includes ''Eternal Licks and Grooves'' commissioned by ASCAP and IAJE honoring Count Basie and ''Appearing In Cleveland'' commissioned by the LA Jazz Institute honoring Stan Kenton. http://www.summitrecords.com/product.tmpl?SKU=478

Radio and print media promotion by Dr. Jazz, 800-955-4375, drjazz at drjazz.com



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