[JPL] Herbie/Vinnie - How about an hour with Tony Williams?

jazzrockworld rick at jazzrockworld.com
Tue Mar 13 01:37:08 EDT 2007


Great story Jae,

I never got to meet Tony, but saw him many times since the third Lifetime
variation w/Holdsworth and Pasqua. I'm very lucky to have all 10 or so Great
Jazz Trio albums (w/Hank Jones and Ron Carter) along with both Herbie
Hancock Trio albums (1977 & 1981). I was even fortunate enough in my lusty
shopping days to find a Direct to Disk Japanese release of the V.S.O.P.
Quintet called "Five Stars" seen here (I can't hotlink to the image, but
it's on this page) It was never released in the states and is the first time
I heard his composition "Mutants on the Beach". 

http://rixpix.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album15&page=9

I also saw him do a clinic in Santa Cruz at the Kuumbwa Jazz Society in
their original home (so it must have been late 70's or early 80's). 

He was something special beyond "the drums" as his musical voice includes
intangibles found only in the ranks of the elite to ever play any
instrument. 

My only "story" about Tony was watching him at Keystone Korner in 1979 w/Tom
Grant on keys and near the end of the fist set, somewhere in the middle of
his drum solo, he very nonchalantly moved his arm to look at his watch - the
solo abruptly ended - and whoosh, the band was off stage. He actually did
the drummer's "bored to death" glance. 

I don't know if you're familiar with Billy Kilson, but he's an incredible
drummer and has the best control over dynamics I've ever seen in a drummer.
He also tap dances on the Hi-Hat with his left foot, like Tony did. I got to
meet him last year while touring with Chris Botti and David Sanborn.
Graciously arranged by his management. His latest album "Pots & Pans" with
the BK Groove is recorded with him VERY front and center. At first I thought
he was too loud in the mix, but then I realized that only someone of his
caliber could possibly play so up front and not sound like Billy Cobham
(that's not meant to be disrespectful - Billy's one of my idols and being
mixed up front has just been one of his distinctive characteristics over the
years). In fact, thanks to him being so loud I found myself enjoying the
"little things" in his control of speed and dynamics. Maybe it's something
only another drummer could appreciate, but it's there! Kilson's a monster to
listen to and a real treat to watch.

Rick Calic
www.jazzrockworld.com 

P.S. I'm not sure "Pots and Pans" is suitable for airplay on a traditional
Jazz station on a song by song basis, but taken as a whole, it's a real tour
de force.

 

 

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From: jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com
[mailto:jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com] On Behalf Of Jae Sinnett
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:43 PM
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Subject: RE: [JPL] Herbie/Vinnie - How about an hour with Tony Williams?

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Hmmm.....while Tony certainly was one of my drumming heroes....Vinnie's as
well (Check out Vinnie's tribute to Tony on his self titled release called
"Slink")...this was my least favorite period for him - for a few reasons but
I won't get into that here. His 68-71 time frame was astonishing - before he
enlarged his kit - which is during this period in the video. That
"Emergency" period was scary. Even more so because most artists spend a
lifetime trying to find "their" sound and style. Tony did it three times.
There different styles that were totally related to him. Really. Not many
people talked about that. 
   
  Firstly when he was 17 with Miles. Even at that age he didn't sound like
anyone else - particularly the way he played the ride cymbal...(in my
opinion the best example of this were the "Plugged Nickel" sessions. The
ride cymbal work is the ultimate lesson in how a jazz drummer should
approach the ride)....then to his early 20's into the "Emergency" period
with McLaughlin and Larry Young. A new more powerful and open Tony. I can't
describe how much drums this man was playing at that time. If I can remember
correctly Tony sort of quit playing after that and chilled to get his head
together. Then he came back with the big kit - seen in this video - and an
entirely new sound. He played that way until his untimely death. 
   
  Permit me to share a Tony Williams story......Years ago I brought Tony's
quintet with Wallace, Billy, Ira and Mulgrew to Norfolk. At that time I was
also playing canary yellow Gretsch drums....just like him. I picked Tony up
at the airport. He was getting his kit and then soon realized one of his
drums....his 14" floor tom didn't show up. He flipped out.....mad as hell. I
said nothing to him then because now I was nervous. Here I was with my
drumming hero and the meeting starts off like this. We got his gear and then
to the vehicle. As we were riding he was still complaining about his drum.
Finally I said....Tony I have a 14" floor tom you could use. He snapped
back......."but I play Gretsch." I said I do as well. He said "but mine are
canary yellow"....I said so are mine. He then said "I use black dot Remo
heads"....I said I have one on the drum too. Total silence after that. His
demeanor completely changed. He said "really?" I said yep. I let him us my
drum that night  and to this day I have that drum head. 
   
  For me this is something I'll never forget. Spending that time with him
and talking drums. Tony was special. One of a kind.
   
  Jae Sinnett   

jazzrockworld <rick at jazzrockworld.com> wrote:
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Many thanks to Nick Costa for this link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1981490425585781179&hl=en

Rick Calic
www.jazzrockworld.com 




-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com] On Behalf Of jazzrockworld
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:23 AM
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Too bad US audiences don't get to see that stuff on television (or live
venues for that matter), thank goodness for file sharing...

Rick Calic
www.jazzrockworld.com 





-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com] On Behalf Of Jae Sinnett
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:11 AM
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Subject: [JPL] Herbie/Vinnie

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Just for fun.......not sure how many of you are playing the Brian Bromberg
CD but the great Vinnie Colaiuta is playing drums on the disc. If you want
to see how bad this kat is check these video clips out from a tour he did
with Herbie....I think last year.....working out on some of Herbie's early
classic 70's material. My goodness.....Start with part one then on to II and
III.......

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Vinnie_Colaiuta.html


Jae Sinnett




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arrangements lead straight to surprise.

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