[JPL] I gave this article five stars-Weather Report's one star
jaejazz at yahoo.com
Fri May 4 10:42:36 EDT 2007
I don't think anyone here is angry Philip. I'm certainly not. I see Ed's point and Bobby's and they are both right. I think it's a case of how the comments are being perceived. Also, if the comparison of "From the Plantation To the Penitentiary" is being made to "Mr.Gone," that would be artistically ridiculous. Comparatively speaking, that was one of the worse recordings WR made (and I bet you know that) and the "intentions" of the recordings are radically different. "Plantation" will come no where near to being certified gold - ironically because of its artistic depth. I do believe that's at 500,000 units if I'm not mistaken. I think it was Quincy Jones that said he questioned how much jazz was being played if the record sold more than what.....20,000 units.
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This debate reminds me of the anger expressed by Weather Report (and
their fans) when DB gave a one-star review to Mr. Gone ('78). WR's
attitude at the time was: It's not possible that we would record
something that would be given (as low as) a one-star rating.
I found this on Wikipedia:
According to Down Beat magazine, "Zawinul, Shorter, et. al. have made
the controversial music a commercial product; unfortunately ...
Weather Report has over-orchestrated its sound." The album was quickly
certified Gold, being the follow-up to the widely successful Heavy
Weather and topped out at #52 on the Billboard music charts.
----- Original Message -----
From: EdBride at aol.com
Date: Friday, May 4, 2007 6:31 am
Subject: Re: [JPL] I gave this article five stars.
To: jazzproglist at jazzweek.com
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> In a message dated 5/4/2007 12:42:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jaejazz at yahoo.com writes:
> <<..Well the recording is "timely" Ed in it's social commentary
> but my
> position is that it's an artistic achievement on its own creative
> Bobby had said (or at least suggested) that the fact that it was
> should be worth some extra points. That is the only area of
> The critic who gave the recording one star apparently didn't think
> (or did
> not consider) that "timeliness" is a substitute for artistic
> merit. I cannot
> speak to why the critic did not like the recording, and I haven't
> even heard
> it yet. We're just debating the single point of whether an
> artistic effort
> should be given extra credit for timeliness.
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