[JPL] I gave this article five stars-Weather Report's one star

philipbooth at tampabay.rr.com philipbooth at tampabay.rr.com
Fri May 4 12:30:07 EDT 2007


clearly, I wasn't comparing the two recordings. just bringing up a 
similar one-star flap of yore.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jae Sinnett <jaejazz at yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, May 4, 2007 10:50 am
Subject: Re: [JPL] I gave this article five stars-Weather Report's one 
star
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> I don't think anyone here is angry Philip. I'm certainly not. I 
> see Ed's point and Bobby's and they are both right. I think it's a 
> case of how the comments are being perceived. Also, if the 
> comparison of "From the Plantation To the Penitentiary" is being 
> made to "Mr.Gone," that would be artistically ridiculous. 
> Comparatively speaking, that was one of the worse recordings WR 
> made (and I bet you know that) and the "intentions" of the 
> recordings are radically different. "Plantation" will come no 
> where near to being certified gold - ironically because of its 
> artistic depth. I do believe that's at 500,000 units if I'm not 
> mistaken. I think it was Quincy Jones that said he questioned how 
> much jazz was being played if the record sold more than 
> what.....20,000 units. 
>   
>  Jae   
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> philipbooth at tampabay.rr.com wrote: 
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> This debate reminds me of the anger expressed by Weather Report 
> (and 
> their fans) when DB gave a one-star review to Mr. Gone ('78). WR's 
> attitude at the time was: It's not possible that we would record 
> something that would be given (as low as) a one-star rating.
> 
> I found this on Wikipedia:
> According to Down Beat magazine, "Zawinul, Shorter, et. al. have 
> made 
> the controversial music a commercial product; unfortunately ... 
> Weather Report has over-orchestrated its sound." The album was 
> quickly 
> certified Gold, being the follow-up to the widely successful Heavy 
> Weather and topped out at #52 on the Billboard music charts.
> 
> 
> 
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: EdBride at aol.com
> Date: Friday, May 4, 2007 6:31 am
> Subject: Re: [JPL] I gave this article five stars.
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> > In a message dated 5/4/2007 12:42:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> > jaejazz at yahoo.com writes:
> > 
> > <<..Well the recording is "timely" Ed in it's social commentary 
> > but my 
> > position is that it's an artistic achievement on its own 
> creative 
> > merits..>> 
> > Bobby had said (or at least suggested) that the fact that it was 
> > "timely" 
> > should be worth some extra points. That is the only area of 
> > disagreement. 
> > 
> > The critic who gave the recording one star apparently didn't 
> think 
> > (or did 
> > not consider) that "timeliness" is a substitute for artistic 
> > merit. I cannot 
> > speak to why the critic did not like the recording, and I 
> haven't 
> > even heard 
> > it yet. We're just debating the single point of whether an 
> > artistic effort 
> > should be given extra credit for timeliness.
> > 
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > 
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