[JPL] 50 great moments in jazz

Jackson, Bobby Bobby.Jackson at ideastream.org
Mon Jan 26 18:09:27 EST 2009


Check out the sources I've given in a previous post.  Dan Morgenstern is
an important musicologist for jazz, but even he is only one person with
an opinion. There are others that differ with as much or more insight.
I wouldn't stop exploring based on Dan Morgenstern's opinion.

Aloha,

Bobby Jackson

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Well I'll disagree with Dan Morgenstern. Reese Europe was dealing with
the blues...to a degree...not the ODJB and if anyone set a foudation for
jazz...on record... it was him...long before the ODJB. They weren't
calling it jazz then but if it were in "transition" as Morgenstern
states then it's definitely a starting point. From my perspective
Europe's direction came closer to the point of a jazz conception than
Morganstern is giving him credit for. Europe also understood
improvisation as did the ODJB but to blow him off solely based on a
presumption as only dealing with late ragtime is premature.

Jae Sinnett 


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> 
> >From Dan Morgenstern:
> 
> James Reese Europe's was the first black band to make
> records (many singers
> before), in late 1913 and l914, for Victor. These are
> fascinating historical
> documents but the music isn't jazz yet--it's late
> ragtime, a music in
> transition, but if compared to ODJB, clearly not the same
> idiom. Europe's
> story is indeed a fascinating one, and when, after making
> these records, at
> which time he was the musical director for the famed dance
> team of Vernon
> and Irene Castle (band is also in a film with them, silent,
> of course), he
> put together a military band and went to France with it in
> WWI, what they
> played came closer, and when they returned home and made
> records again, in
> 1919, these included Memphis Blues and the ODJB's
> Clarinet Marmalade, and
> Europe toured and was billed by his label, Pathe, as the
> King of Jazz. A
> sensation in France, the band made a stir as it commenced
> touring in the US,
> but tragically, Europe was stabbed in the neck by a drummer
> in the band,
> later judged insane, and bled to death, aged just 39. The
> book mentioned is
> a great must read for anyone interested in 20th Century
> American music, but
> those pre-ODJB Europe discs just ain't jazz--closest
> thing is a terrific
> drum solo by Buddy Gilmore on Castle House Rag. (A somewhat
> bizzare
> footnote: The crazy drummer, Herbert Wright, was
> incarcerated in an asylum,
> but freed in late 1920s; he settled in Boston, where Europe
> had died, and
> became Roy Haynes' first teacher.)
> 
> Jackson, Bobby wrote:
> 
> > I've interviewed Professor Karlton Hester years
> ago who himself is a musician.
> > He is an ethnomusicologist who teaches at San
> Francisco State University, I
> > believe. It was a thoroughly fascinating conversation
> and account of many
> > issues regarding this music.
> > 
> 
> I've spoken to Professor Hester at several IAJE
> conferences. In fact, he
> gave a talk at one of the IAJE conferences. I have the 4
> volume set he wrote
> called From Africa To Afrocentric Innovations Some Call
> Jazz. I have read
> the first volume. It is an extremely interesting read.
> 
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