[JPL] Experts talk on the state of jazz in Las Vegas

ron-gill at att.net ron-gill at att.net
Fri Jul 17 13:47:33 EDT 2009


On Jul 17, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Jackson, Bobby wrote:

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     Hahahahaha..wow....you ARE really into this, Bobby....
>
> Jae,
>
> I have the book.....
> I have other cooking books as well.......
> I'm going to eat this up!
>
> As a good host, you must prepare your commentary.  That's a  
> given...As a music host, are you prepared to talk about anything on  
> the air that isn't music related?  It's a huge question for many.   
> Can you live in a space where others traffic and it not being  
> related to music???  With Jazz Tracks I did that for over ten years.
>
> I'm going to eat this up!!
>
> BURP!!!   (must be the BBQ)
>
> Bobby Jackson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com on behalf of Jae Sinnett
> Sent: Fri 7/17/2009 1:32 PM
> To: jazzproglist at jazzweek.com
> Subject: RE: [JPL] Experts talk on the state of jazz in Las Vegas
>
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> Two points Bobby...in reference to the R&B connection...the "jazz"  
> renditions of say Michael or other artists in the genre is a great  
> idea. I do think though for that show to have an impact on lets  
> say..swaying some towards jazz, I think it mainly depends on how  
> effective your commentary is. The music alone won't do it I believe  
> but you can use the commentary to guide them. That's important in a  
> show like that as I've found out with the Chronicles and as I'm  
> sure you know. At some point I will start producing a few Chronicle  
> shows that will focus on the soul/jazz/R&B connection. That was  
> deep really because most of the soul artist before 1970 dealt with  
> jazz at some level or came from jazz.
>
> The food thing is unbelievable. Have you ever checked out  
> "Jazzcooks?" Do you remember that book? It was a collection of  
> recipes by jazz artists. Now that I have a major cooking element on  
> my Sunday show I will seek out this book to try to use for premiums  
> for our drives. I'm also putting one together of my recipes. There  
> is a deep connection here as well to food and jazz and another area  
> where the Crescent City had a major impact. Chicago too. I'm  
> surprised actually that more don't pursue the jazz/cooking avenue.  
> On our PBS station the most watched program is the Saturday morning  
> cooking show. I'm in the process now of producing a cooking show  
> pilot for TV. I say find someway to connect the jazz to food and  
> drink and you'll be amazed at the positive results for your jazz  
> programming.
>
> Jae Sinnett
>
> --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Jackson, Bobby <Bobby.Jackson at ideastream.org>  
> wrote:
>
>> From: Jackson, Bobby <Bobby.Jackson at ideastream.org>
>> Subject: RE: [JPL] Experts talk on the state of jazz in Las Vegas
>> To: jazzproglist at jazzweek.com
>> Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 1:18 PM
>> JAZZWEEK SUMMIT 2010: JUNE 17-19,
>> RADISSON RIVERSIDE HOTEL, ROCHESTER N.Y. -- Mark your
>> calendar!
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>> Love this post Jae!
>>
>> When I was producing Jazz Tracks I did some food shows by
>> going to restaurants, talking with chefs, with food
>> critics.  They were very popular.  Even going back
>> to my days at CLK I did some food based shows on titles of
>> songs based around food.  Now that I back on air
>> regularly, I'm going to start implementing that again.
>> It's basic, and it connects everyone who listens because we
>> all like to eat.  What more fun can you have than
>> having a great recipe to explore.  You might even want
>> to improvise on it!!!
>>
>> That being said, How many JPL'ers can think of jazz tunes
>> related to food.
>> I'll start this train with "Home Cookin" by Lambert,
>> Hendricks and Ross.
>>
>> Aloha and Bon Apetit!!
>>
>> Bobby Jackson
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com
>> on behalf of Jae Sinnett
>> Sent: Fri 7/17/2009 11:59 AM
>> To: jazzproglist at jazzweek.com
>> Subject: Re: [JPL] Experts talk on the state of jazz in Las
>> Vegas
>>
>> JAZZWEEK SUMMIT 2010: JUNE 17-19, RADISSON RIVERSIDE HOTEL,
>> ROCHESTER N.Y. -- Mark your calendar!
>>
>> ********************************************************************* 
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>> The point is interesting Ron in reference to my Chronicles
>> program. Actually, when you thing about it many coming from
>> the generation that would appreciate the Chronicles show
>> have an appreciation...at least in a fundamental sense...of
>> jazz. The reasons I believe are musical.
>>
>> The soul music of that period had a certain amount of
>> elasticity and swing in the grooves and 'real' instrumental
>> connectedness enabling the sound to get close to what you
>> would here in jazz in terms of the pulse of the music. Plus,
>> in many cases, the improvisation too...considering that many
>> of the earlier soul bands had a tremendous amount of
>> improv...Booker T, EWF, Kool and Gang, TOP...etc. Not too
>> far away from the funkier oriented things Blue Note started
>> doing. It wasn't until the mid to late 70's when that sound
>> and feel in soul/R&B/pop started changing consequently
>> losing that "jazz" connection. The production's focus was
>> now more on synthetic textures and robotic time concepts and
>> wiping out just about all improvisation. The result
>> completely killed much of the human emotional content of the
>> music. Now the music is so far away from jazz that when they
>> do here it the sound is particularly strange and even
>> annoying in many cases. It's
>>  conditioning.
>>
>> This is one of my intentions with the
>> Chronicles...reminding them of what a groove is suppose to
>> feel like. A real bass player, drummer...etc. Jazz doesn't
>> sound as strange once you get back to that and I've said
>> repeatedly on this list that folks need that bridge...that
>> reason to make them feel it's worth a shit to come to jazz
>> and once there... convince them it's something that is a
>> profoundly meaningful experience to want to embrace. I've
>> also learned that just telling them they should do it
>> doesn't work.
>>
>> I make connections as with my example of my R&B
>> Chronicles. I also use food. Food is an amazing way to get
>> folks to jazz. Many may not believe this but it's true. On
>> my Sunday show I open with a recipe and then suggest
>> some jazz they should listen to when making and eating the
>> dish. It's become by far the most popular thing I do for the
>> station. I also have cooking events for high end
>> donors...they pledge a ridiculous amount of money...minimum
>> $1500...and I go to their homes and cook. I'm constantly
>> making the jazz/creative cooking connection and it's worked
>> in a tremendous way. That bridge I mentioned earlier. I make
>> them see the creative process...that it's really not
>> different in what the jazz musicians do. They're starting to
>> get it. I can't tell you how many folks have emailed me
>> about the recipes that are now listening to jazz when they
>> didn't before. Again, finding ways to make them feel it's
>> totally worth it for them to investigate the music.
>>  Whatever works right?
>>
>> Jae Sinnett
>>
>> --- On Fri, 7/17/09, ron-gill at att.net
>> <ron-gill at att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: ron-gill at att.net
>> <ron-gill at att.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [JPL] Experts talk on the state of jazz
>> in Las Vegas
>>> To: jazzproglist at jazzweek.com
>>> Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 11:24 AM
>>> JAZZWEEK SUMMIT 2010: JUNE 17-19,
>>> RADISSON RIVERSIDE HOTEL, ROCHESTER N.Y. -- Mark your
>>> calendar!
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Jul 16, 2009, at 6:59 AM, Joseph Baione wrote:
>>>
>>>    From the outset, I agree, jazz is not the
>>> 'only'  true American art form,
>>>    and we do not exclude the blues in that
>>> statement. But, we have to
>>>    find ways to expose young people, that is
>>> our future, to the arts as we
>>>    know it. If we don't then we are really
>>> in trouble in this country for
>>>    future generations.
>>>    The comments made here by Jae and Bobby
>>> are the stories told by
>>>    many of us on this list. Ask any artist
>>> in jazz how they discovered the
>>>    music and the stories will be similar.
>>>    Bobby is correct, people come to music in
>>> different ways. Young people
>>>    pass their music around via their
>>> technological devices. Actually no different
>>>    than we did, just a different medium.
>>>    But, what bothered me about this
>>> symposium was that I heard no attempt to
>>>    figure out how to get people attracted to
>>> jazz, or good music in general.
>>>    Yes, Jae, that is a task, to get those
>>> listeners engaged, but what has your
>>>    R&B Chronicles done to bring people
>>> to your program? Do you slip in some
>>>    jazz artists to open some of those ears?
>>>    Maybe Jazz Week needs to have a
>>> discussion on this, but without accepting
>>>    the old way of thinking, but finding new
>>> ways to expose jazz to the listener.
>>>    Ron Gill
>>>    singer/consultant
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does the "smooth jazzer", who wants to expose
>> the
>>> young people what was,
>>>> understand the true roots of jazz and where it
>> all
>>> originated?
>>>>
>>>> Also, John Naashan is incorrect in saying that
>> "jazz
>>> is the only true
>>>> American art form."  You most certainly cannot
>>> exclude the "blues" in this
>>>> statement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe Baione
>>>> Jazz Vibraphonist
>>>> www.sonicbids.com/brojoebaione
>>>> www.joebaione.com
>>>> www.myspace.com/brojoebaione
>>>> 302-284-1182
>>>> jvibeb at comcast.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com
>>>> [mailto:jazzproglist-bounces at jazzweek.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Dr. Jazz
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:55 PM
>>>> To: jazzproglist at jazzweek.com
>>>> Subject: [JPL] Experts talk on the state of jazz
>> in
>>> Las Vegas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Interesting comment from the smooth jazzer:
>>> "...what jazz was and what
>>>> jazz needs to become..."
>>>> -Dr.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Experts talk on the state of jazz in Las Vegas
>>>> Jazz symposium evokes comments about saving jazz
>> as
>>> art form
>>>> By Jerry Fink (contact)
>>>>
>>>> Wednesday, July 15, 2009 | 1:47 p.m.
>>>>
>>>> During a symposium earlier this year, a panel of
>>> experts spoke on the
>>>> fate of jazz in Las Vegas. Here are some of
>> their
>>> comments:
>>>>
>>>> Vincent Falcone, long-time music director for
>> Frank
>>> Sinatra: "I remember
>>>> Frank Sinatra once saying to me, 'If you only
>> play the
>>> notes, it doesn't
>>>> mean a thing.' You've got to have soul, dynamics,
>> ups
>>> and downs. That's
>>>> what the greatest jazz musicians do naturally,
>>> instinctively. ... What
>>>> we need today is the support of those of us who
>> really
>>> love jazz. Get
>>>> out and support the musicians."
>>>>
>>>> David Loeb, director of jazz studies at UNLV:
>> "This is
>>> a jazz town, or
>>>> at least it was. I believe it still is. There is
>>> certainly an
>>>> undercurrent, an optimism for continuing the art
>> form.
>>> That's what we're
>>>> trying to do at the university -- we're trying
>> to
>>> perpetuate the art
>>>> form of jazz and also to prepare students to go
>> out
>>> and make a living.
>>>> Jazz is our cultural art form, and we need to
>> preserve
>>> it."
>>>>
>>>> John Nasshan, drummer and host of a jazz program
>> on
>>> KUNV 91.5-FM: "Jazz
>>>> is the only true American art form and we don't
>> treat
>>> it well. Once you
>>>> get involved in jazz at any level, you don't lose
>> the
>>> love for it. We
>>>> need to support the art form, but we're not doing
>> it.
>>> "
>>>>
>>>> Frank Leone, president of the Las Vegas Jazz
>> Society
>>> and Musicians Union
>>>> Local 369: "We grew up with songs that easily
>> became
>>> accessible to jazz,
>>>> but not today. It's all hip-hop, and Clear
>> Channel
>>> owns every radio
>>>> station in America and it's not going to give you
>> a
>>> choice. Today kids
>>>> aren't being exposed to jazz till they get to
>> junior
>>> high school, and
>>>> all of a sudden have a music appreciation class
>> in
>>> jazz and classical.
>>>> It's too late -- way too late. We have to get
>> them
>>> early."
>>>>
>>>> Dana Crawford, smooth jazz deejay with KOAS
>> 105.7-FM:
>>> "If we don't build
>>>> a bridge between what jazz was and what jazz
>> needs to
>>> become it's going
>>>> to die here. We need to find a way for the art
>> form to
>>> evolve and become
>>>> something people in their 20s and 30s will want
>> to
>>> come out and see. If
>>>> we don't educate the young about what was and
>> also
>>> expose them to what
>>>> is, jazz is going to die. It has nowhere to go."
>>>>
>>>> --Dr. Jazz
>>>> Dr. Jazz Operations
>>>> 24270 Eastwood
>>>> Oak Park, MI  48237
>>>> (248) 542-7888
>>>> http://www.drjazz.com
>>>> SKYPE:  drjazz99
>>>>
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