[JPL] Zenph "re-performance"

Peter Solomon psolomon at ideastations.org
Fri Nov 4 21:59:23 EDT 2011


Yup. I quit mentioning the process, too many words.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:41 PM, Louis Erlanger <louisx at myfairpoint.net>wrote:

>
> Any type of recording is a representation of an artist, not the artist
> himself.  It is played using: a groove and a needle; a laser and a disk;
> the equivalent of ones and zeros on a magnetic hard drive.  What's the
> difference between those and Zenph --- IF Zenph is doing a good job
> capturing the performance? There are plenty of BAD recordings of great jazz
> players -- using bad microphones, bad recording equipment, etc.  I would
> say they are less representative of the original artist than a good
> recording by Zenph.  Sure it's a weird concept.  No doubt about that. But
> it sounds good.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Boddie
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 7:46 PM
> To: jazzproglist at jazzweek.com
>
> Subject: Re: [JPL] Zenph "re-performance"
>
>
> Eric,
>
> It's not a machine, it's a programmed piano.  Take yourself back to the
> days when there was no TV or radio and just a piano playing in the parlor
> from programmed music on a reel ... the same principle in the year 2011.  I
> went to a performance in Raleigh, NC with an actor doing a monologue -
> where he owned a bar and Art Tatum performed - and the programmed piano
> reincarnated the fingers of Art on the keyboards.  It was nice and the
> music was unbelievable.
>
> This is good science!
>
>  ----- Original Message -----  From: Eric Gruner<mailto:eric at jazz901.org**
> >
>  To: jazzproglist at jazzweek.com<**mailto:jazzproglist at jazzweek.**com<jazzproglist at jazzweek.com>
> >
>  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 7:19 PM
>  Subject: Re: [JPL] Zenph "re-performance"
>
>
>
>  Very interesting, from a technological standpoint all answers have said
>  nothing about the fact that the music is being played by a machine...  not
>  a human being.        So....... everyone OK with that?      Who's planning
>  to )or planning not to) give it airplay?   (and I'd  love to hear some
>  musicians chime in on this)
>
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:08 PM, <EdBride at aol.com<mailto:EdBrid**e at aol.com<EdBride at aol.com>>>
> wrote:
>
>  >
>  > That's about right; another very nice example of this is Tatum's
>  > "Yesterdays," around which Gordon Goodwin wrote a big band arrangement.
>  >  It's terrific
>  >
>  > Ed
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > In a message dated 11/4/2011 4:05:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>  > tom at joelocke.com<mailto:tom@**joelocke.com <tom at joelocke.com>> writes:
>  >
>  >
>  > Louis' answer seems to be the best.
>  > I took the photographs  that are used in the tray card (although I
>  > haven't received the  finished product yet).
>  >
>  > My photographs, are from the actual concert that  was recorded, so
>  > it's a nice tie in.
>  > That concert was in  Rochester, Eric!
>  >
>  > Here's a link for more  information:http://www.zenph.**com/the-music/<http://www.zenph.com/the-music/>
>  > artists/oscar-peterson
>  >
>  > Best to all,
>  >
>  > Tom
>  >
>  >
>  > Tom  Marcello
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>  >
>  > tom at joelocke.com<mailto:tom@**joelocke.com <tom at joelocke.com>>
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>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On  Nov 4, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Louis Erlanger wrote:
>  >
>  > >
>  > > I attended  a Zenph demo a number of years ago. They reproduced an
>  > > Art  Tatum
>  > > recording. It was fantastic technology. What they did then, and  have
>  > > probably improved upon since, is analyze, through software  and
>  > > using people,
>  > > an existing recording and they log  all of its nuances -- notes,
> touch,
>  > > rhythm, phrasing, etc.  They  have a piano that is equipped with a
>  > > device
>  > > that  translates that analysis back to the keys of the piano. So it
>  > >  is really
>  > > a very advanced player piano that reproduces not just the  notes,
>  > > but the
>  > > actual way the original player attacked  the notes and approached
>  > > the music.
>  > > They then record  this piano playing in a recording studio, thereby
>  > >  creating
>  > > a pristine re-make of the original recording, sans  scratches,
>  > > clicks and
>  > > distortion.   They may  have since moved this to other instruments
> too.
>  > >
>  >
>  >
>  >
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