[JPL] Christian Scott & playing jazz

janleder at aol.com janleder at aol.com
Wed Jan 11 13:43:34 EST 2012

I've been following this discussion and am a bit perturbed and saddened.  I do understand and appreciate all of the points of view, but I wonder how making our community even smaller than it already is - and in a racial way no less! - can help this music.  Where does it leave me?  I call myself a jazz musician because I studied and continue to study and play jazz.  I perform professional musical programs that include swing, bebop, bossa novas, blues, ballads, and original music, much of which would fall into those categories.  In my solo work in healthcare communities I also include show tunes, patriotic songs, spirituals, ethnic and folk music.  I'm still a jazz musician.

It's an age-old dilemma.  In college (ages ago!) I wrote papers about this same discrimination against the word jazz, which is a Creole word with distinct meaning (jass).  That in itself brings up plenty of social implications, and as a woman in this business I think that is still affecting us too.  I had hoped by now we would have come together more and gotten past all that divisiveness.  
Jan Leder


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Nick also explains his point of view quite well on Jazz and B.A.M. during
this interview he did with
Josh Jackson.


Nick also put together a panel on BAM during APAP last week that Ben Wolfe,
Marcus Strickland, Gary Bartz and Orrin Evans were part of. You can check
out the video here..



On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Bobby Jackson <ftapache1 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

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> JPLers,
> First of all, Love this discussion Jae Sinnett began.  Thanks for the post.
> Duke Ellington was one of those voices that wanted to call jazz something
> other than jazz.  I think he wanted to call it American Negro Music or
> African American Music, the exact wording escapes me in this moment.  Gary
> Bartz doesn't like the name jazz.  Nicholas Payton calls it Black American
> Music (BAM).  I understand the musicians yearning to not compartmentalize
> this music.  It is a problem because of all the shades of grey that blend
> it from R & B to sacred to rock or whatever.  Getting rid of the jazz label
> would give programmers more latitude to program this music.  It is the
> codification that put limits on how the artist creates.  It also limits the
> amount of audience we can gain.   To be boxed in a Jazz compartment means
> people are only listening for a certain sound that has been codified as
> "jazz" and does not help to foster the creation of new sounds.  Part of the
> gist of my show The Roots of Smooth (which is NOT smooth jazz BTW) is to
> pull all of the genres regardless of what they are out of the box they are
> normally found in.  I'm focusing on "jazz musicians" and revealing all of
> their influences because they are much more than just "jazz" musicians.
>  The finest creative artists have jumped into many boxes and cross
> pollinated all of them.  The Duke, Miles, Chick, Herbie, Wayne, Branford
> are one name games because their body of work transcends the "jazz mode."
>  They are known by more than just "jazz" people.  They are a homogeny of
> all their experiences on and off the bandstand.  "Jazz" is a wall, it is a
> barrier that Nick and Christian are trying to knock down.  Nicholas Payton
> is from  New Orleans.  He comes from the melting pot of many different
> music which most of are created by African Americans.  So does Christian
> Scott for that matter.  I think Nicholas is dead on with his thinking.  I
> applaud him for standing up.  I like BAM!!!  BAM!  BAM!!  I love BAM....
>  Yes, they are jazz musicians but they are much more.  They are musicians.
>  And so is Jae Sinnett.  Whoever came up with jazz put a limit on the sky.
> BAM yesterday, today and tomorrow.  We all love it!!  That's why we're
> here...
> Bobby Jackson
> www.thejazzmind.com
> ftapache1 at sbcglobal.net
> On Jan 11, 2012, at 12:45 PM, TOM MALLISON wrote:
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> >
> > Jazz Radio got into this with Al Di Meola music years ago and his
> airplay dried up.  Maybe that should happen when artists don't want to be
> associated with Jazz.There certainly is not a shortage of trumpet players
> out there for us to play.  ALOHA  Tom
> >
> >
> > --
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