[JPL] Christian Scott & playing jazz

Bobby Jackson ftapache1 at sbcglobal.net
Wed Jan 11 19:46:23 EST 2012


Amen Derrick....

Bobby Jackson
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On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Derrick Lucas wrote:

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> I was at Nicolas Payton’s BAM Town Hall Meeting last week
> 
> 
> Brother Payton’s main thrust of creating BAM was younger black listeners
> will check out “jazz” and the blues if the J-word is no longer used, to
> describe the music. Another opinion Payton offered, is that young African
> Americans have a negative perception of jazz, it’s culture and* the
> perceived* lifestyle it promotes- having to be dressed up for shows, music
> without words, not an easily identifiable groove, hook, vamp or beat that
> is danceable, and most importantly music that isn't from the street i.e.;
> not relevant to the world that young African Americans live in.
> 
> 
> That said I recently went to a jam session where I noticed some interesting
> things.
> 
> -First I was oldest person there (I’m 41)
> 
> -Second no one was dressed up,
> 
> -Third there was a 70/30 black to white ratio of the crowd .
> 
> -Forth the folks were playing and cutting each other with versions of
> current radio hits (Drake, Lil Wayne, Nicki Manaj) as well as classic Blue
> Note hard bop, Tutu period Miles, Ornette Coleman and James Brown and The
> JB's
> 
> -Fifth the crowd totally understood and enjoyed what was going down
> 
> 
> 
> So younger black kids and for that matter kids of all colors are creating
> jazz, it’s just in their own language, for their time .
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Bobby Jackson <ftapache1 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
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>> Hi Jae,
>> 
>> I think it's too closed and doesn't address all the tributaries that go
>> into making it work in the first place.  I've had conversations with
>> musicians, programmers, record company execs for years and seen our numbers
>> dwindle and dwindle audience wise as well as stations who carry
>> programming.   There is music that Chick, Herbie, Wayne, Miles play that is
>> not welcome at particular stations who compartmentalize under the banner
>> generally speaking "acoustic jazz."  Does that make the creative aspect of
>> the use of electronics in music any less valid?  Does it make it a funk
>> groove or a reggae groove or a rock groove any less spectacular?  Why do we
>> look to 1959 as the pinnacle of this music.  That was great music of course
>> but it seems to define what is great music in 2011 and the "core" of what
>> is acceptable across the board in presenting jazz music as a consensus
>> nationwide.   That doesn't happen so much outside of North America.  It's a
>> complicated question and there is no one answer that I believe can satisfy.
>> I do believe that the notions of what is and isn't should open up a little
>> more than it is.  We should be as open as the very people we applaud,
>> musicians such as Miles and Chick and Herbie.  Christian McBride.  I don't
>> believe we are and we're shooting ourselves in the foot.  Hosts should be
>> able to draw the connections and align the dots to all of these different
>> approaches and make more interesting programming.
>> 
>> I think I came up in what was IMO  the greatest time for radio in arguably
>> the greatest city for music.  New York.  I remember WBLS with Frankie
>> Crocker who made a home for acoustic, electric, R &B, Latin, etc. and made
>> it all work.  WRVR was also programming electric right alongside acoustic;
>> forties alongside seventies.  That doesn't happen much around the dial.  It
>> is too predictable which is not a great thing.
>> 
>> Bobby Jackson
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>> On Jan 11, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Jae Sinnett wrote:
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>>> Paul, yes an old problem but it's never reached solutions so
>> considering...oddly these problems remain new. In fact they've gotten worse
>> in my view. Frustrating really. I recorded my first record over 25 years
>> ago...with John Hicks, Frank Foster, Wallace Roney and company. I couldn't
>> tell you how proud I was to be playing jazz. I don't feel any differently
>> today. I play other styles of music as some here know but when I'm playing
>> jazz there is an unrelenting feeling of exhilaration and as much as I enjoy
>> playing different music none bring me that level of creative satisfaction.
>>> 
>>> I've always wondered why other genres of music don't seem to have the
>> layers of separation issues as jazz appears to. Much of this conversation
>> has been about folks wanting to abandon the jazz mantra. Rockers don't do
>> this in droves. EWF will tell you they're playing soul in a heart beat.
>> They don't run from the labeling like many in jazz seem to be doing. The
>> only reason I can think of why this happens is from a marketing standpoint.
>> If it's rock radio...they tell you it's rock radio loudly. We should be
>> proud to say we play jazz.
>>> 
>>> Bobby...a bit of devil's advocate here...and just to make sure I
>> understand your point...are you saying we should abandon the "jazz" format?
>> Or keep it jazz and expand the boundries of what can musically fall under
>> the jazz umbrella? If your position is the first wouldn't that be the start
>> of wiping out the genre all together?
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>>> Jae Sinnett
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>>> For what it's worth, here's my take. This is an old problem, but the
>> word "jazz" has survived the controversy before. It has come to mean, at
>> least to me, an approach of music making that grows out of the
>> African-American experience, and a long collaboration with folks who are
>> not African-American.  It is an approach that is open-ended, and yet always
>> has something of its "dna." There is something about Christian Scott's
>> music, or Nicholas Payton's music, or Maria Schieder's music, or the late
>> Paul Motian's music, or Cecil Taylor's music, . . . (I hope you get my
>> point here) that we hear as "jazz."  I propose we do is work hard to get
>> the public-at -large to realize that when we say "jazz" we are talking
>> about this large open-ended medium, that carries its history in one way or
>> another.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I prefer to be identified simply as a musician, but folks don't
>> seem to understand that. Saying that I am a jazz musician, helps them to a
>> certain extent, although there are times when one or another are
>> disappointed when I stray from there concept of "jazz." That being said, I
>> remain comfortable with the word in a general, and I am proud to continue
>> walking down the path trod by the "jazz" musicians who have come before me,
>> where ever it may lead me, and whatever I may produce to pass on to others.
>>> 
>>> Paul Combs
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