[JPL] Re: jazz/not jazz, etc.
louisx at myfairpoint.net
Thu Jan 12 15:42:03 EST 2012
I agree with Mark. There's no race card being played here. It's a FACT that
jazz was born from African-American culture. Nobody owns it now, and many
great jazz players, black, white, Latino, etc. have said that you can't own
sound and rhythm. It's a tribute to the music that so many cultures embraced
it. So let's not shortchange the inventors.
From: Mark Rini
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [JPL] Re: jazz/not jazz, etc.
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I'd suggest following what Nick has been saying a bit closer. Nick never
said that White people have no validity or did not contribute to this
music. Here is a direct quote from Nick..
"First, I think we should acknowledge its origin: Black. But it’s more
than that. Secondly, it’s also American. Though it is a Black invention,
without Whites , Latinos , Native Americans, Jews or any of the cultures
that make America what it is, it would not be possible. And of course
lastly, it’s music.
To that I say, I am Nicholas Payton and I play Black American Music.
Black American Music was created by Blacks, but it belongs to everyone."
Nick has also posted many times about his appreciation and admiration for
Stan Getz and Chet Baker...but that ultimately what they are playing is
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Scott Whitfield
<scott at bicoastalmusic.net>wrote:
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> <<The Word "Jazz" Will Now Be Racist
> Henceforth, please refer to the genre as "Black American Music.">>
> So, the following individuals had NO validity?? Bix Beiderbecke, Frank
> Trumbauer, Gerry Mulligan, Stan Getz, Zoot Sims, Al Cohn, Carl Fontana,
> Evans, Bill Evans, Bob Brookmeyer, etc.....
> Bottom line: It's HARD ENOUGH trying to make a living playing this music
> WITHOUT putting MORE limitations on it by playing the race card!
> I submit that by painting the music into a corner, THEY are being racist.
> Shame on Nicholas Payton AND Christian Scott!
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