[JPL] Re: jazz/not jazz, etc.

Mike Stratton dreamtrane at gmail.com
Thu Jan 12 17:23:33 EST 2012


What do you all think of the new Nicholas Payton album, "Bitches"; Nick has
gotten a lot of press over his provocative rhetoric this past month, which
I've been following with some interest, but what about the new music he's
making?

Mike

On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:19 PM, McWilliams, Robert C <radiobob at ku.edu>wrote:

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> The piece here by Greg Thomas is the best thing I have read on this topic.
>
> I am thinking of Art Blakey right now, and giving his impassioned
> "message:" for jazz, not just in the music, but in his spoken sermon to the
> audience about jazz. I'm wondering what Art would be saying now. Funny, but
> I thought jazz meant the greatest American art form.  BAM is so broad that
> it includes many other things. I remember a three hour conversation I had
> with the late Dr Billy Taylor (on and off air over the course of his guest
> spot with me on what was then just KANU) as talked about jazz, and about
> his impassioned advocacy for jazz over the years. I also woinder what he's
> be saying right now.
>
> The jazz commnnity needs to be uniting, not dividing. And I can see right
> now in Kansas City some unfortunate divisions arising out of this.  l
>
> To the point of BAM being so broad---if I have BAM in the Night instead of
> Jazz in the Night, would I not perforce have to have many many many many
> other things besides jazz? And should we have WAM shows to with the BAM
> shows and the HAM (hsipanie american music shows?) (though WAM BAM HAM has
> a certain right to it).
>
> Finally, equating the word jazz with the n word is just ludicrous. I'm
> sorry, but that is just ludicrous (see the Thomas essay I am responding to).
>
> Having said all that, I have respect for both the artistry and integrity
> of the likes of Payton,, Orrin Evans, and others. But I think this focus on
> jazz as some sort of dirty word is misplaced. Badly misplaced.
>
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> http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=41221&page=1
>
>
> > BAM or JAZZ: Why It Matters
> > By
> > GREG THOMAS <http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/contrib.php?id=3311> ,
> > Published: January 12, 2012
> > Since the last Race and Jazz column
> > <http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=40463> , the first of a
> > multi-part discussion with John Gennari‹the top scholar on the history
> of jazz
> > criticism‹a firestorm of controversy has arisen surroundingNicholas
> Payton
> > <http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=10180> 's declaration
> that,
> > to him, the word jazz is dead
> > <http://nicholaspayton.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/on-> . He also feels
> that the
> > word jazz is tantamount to or worse than the "n" word‹nigger‹and that
> the best
> > and most descriptive umbrella term is Black American Music: BAM.
> > We'll continue sharing our conversation with Professor Gennari soon, but
> first
> > I'd like the All About Jazz audience to digest and respond to this
> piece. The
> > scholarly dialogue with Gennari is crucial because it provides helpful
> > historical context and background for such heated situations as the one
> this
> > article addresses.
> > Nicholas Payton, highly skilled on a variety of musical instruments, is
> one of
> > the best contemporary trumpeters, and was even perhaps the best of his
> > generation playing what he now calls (at least for 90 days) the "j"
> word. And
> > I believe, as fellow black writer Willard Jenkins put it
> > <http://www.openskyjazz.com/blog/#/2011/12/wheres-nicholas-payton-> ,
> that
> > Payton is "speaking the truth as he believes it." I also agree with
> Jenkins'
> > point that no one stole jazz from black folks, and lament the miniscule
> number
> > of audience members from the cultural group of its origin at jazz events.
> > So, before getting back to the conversation about the history of jazz
> > criticism with John Gennari, I'm going to, as author of this Race and
> Jazz
> > column, give some reflections on and responses to the hullabaloo.
> > As master saxophonist, composer and arranger Jimmy Heath
> > <http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=7541>  mentioned at a
> recent
> > event at the Visitor's Center of the National Jazz Museum in Harlem,
> he's been
> > hearing that jazz is dead or dying for over 60 years. 1959‹the last year
> > Payton says "jazz" was cool‹is most certainly a high point in the
> production
> > of classic jazz: Miles Davis
> > <http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=6144> 's Kind of Blue,
> > Charles Mingus <http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=9429>
> 's Ah
> > Um,Dave Brubeck <http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=5391>
> 's Time
> > Out, and Ornette Coleman
> > <http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=5818> 's The Shape of
> Jazz to
> > Come were all released that year, and John Coltrane
> > <http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=5851>  was working on
> Giant
> > Steps. Yet to claim that a form in which a plethora of musicians played,
> a
> > host of fans listened to, and buckets of ink were typed in periodicals
> devoted
> > to the music, was virtually or symbolically or actually dead after 1959,
> is
> > obviously inaccurate. But since it's a provocative statement that elicits
> > discussion, I'll take it with a grain of salt.
> > And jazz, as I and many others conceive of it, is a music that certainly
> > should be placed under the banner of Black American Music. Jazz is one
> of the
> > musical branches that sprang from the cultural production of native-born
> black
> > folks in the United States. However, I don't think it prudent to stop
> there
> > and make BAM the be all and end all term. To jettison the word "jazz"
> > completely, not to mention equating it with the "n" word, is, in my
> > estimation, not wise.
> > Regarding the latter, nigger was a term used to maintain the lie of white
> > supremacy and black inferiority. "Nigger" and the racial caste system
> that
> > supported its wide usage against black Americans were used to subjugate
> minds
> > and oppress bodies, to deny freedom and keep "them in their place," and
> to
> > scapegoat black folks as lazy, shiftless, hypersexual, unintelligent,
> and as
> > the cause of the nation's ills.
> > It's highly doubtful that terrorist white racists used the word "jazz"
> as a
> > term of ultimate derision when lynching Negroes, but you can bet your
> bottom
> > dollar that those bastards thought and scowled the "n" word while
> committing
> > such murders. Furthermore, the meaning and connotation of jazz has
> changed
> > several times over the course of the 100+ years of its existence. And
> though
> > it may be true that the image of jazz musicians as drugged-out outlaws of
> > society still has some currency today, I'd speculate that those who
> weren't
> > conditioned into the view that jazz is lowbrow or the devil's music
> likely
> > don't think of it in such terms. In fact, many consider jazz as akin to a
> > classical music, and beyond their grasp. (Hence the expression "Black
> > Classical Music" or Dr. Billy Taylor's often quoted declaration that
> jazz is
> > "America's classical music.") Considering the course of European
> classical
> > music, this is problematic as regards accessibility and popularity, but
> my
> > point is that many people now think of jazz as "high" instead of "low."
> > When considering what to call or name an art form, the issue of genre
> comes to
> > mind. I'm not aware of anyone arguing that gospel, or r&b, or even hip
> hop, as
> > terms describing musical genres, should be just thrown in the trash. The
> music
> > called jazz, to me, has a powerful, noble, and oftentimes triumphant
> legacy as
> > regards black folks and in the overall history of the nation. The values,
> > practices, and tools of jazz also inform the potential of a global
> present and
> > future. So it's disappointing and somewhat confounding to me that some of
> > those who play it well are so readily willing to give up the
> nomenclature,
> > almost willy nilly.
> > I understand the constraints of the marketplace, and how people bring all
> > sorts of assumptions and presumptions when they think of "jazz"
> musicians or
> > music. The word jazz would undoubtedly benefit from a concerted
> re-branding
> > effort. (In a capitalist society in which marketing is dominant, we
> should get
> > some marketing wizards and gurus on our side.) Though I disagree, I
> comprehend
> > the reasons why some might want to start other movements, such as the
> Stretch
> > Movement <http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article_center.php?in_type=185>
> ,
> > that drop the word because of how relatively unpopular jazz is when
> compared
> > to pop. I can dig the impulse to self-definition that would have Payton
> call
> > himself a "Post-Modern New Orleans musician." Cool (though I'm curious
> as to
> > his definition of "post-modern"). There's no denying that racism is
> alive and
> > well, and manifests in ways both subtle and insidious within everything
> from
> > the music industry to societies globally.
> > That said, what is this thing called jazz? In my estimation, it's not
> simply a
> > marketing term created by white folks with invidious intent. Jazz, to me
> in
> > 2012, is the fine art branch of North American music, with a specific
> set of
> > stylistic practices, born in the United States, created by black
> Americans,
> > who ourselves are a distinct ethnic group or tribe combining influences
> from
> > Africa, Europe, and the Caribbean, just like jazz.
> > Since we're riffing classifications‹which are inherent to language and
> to the
> > human condition‹there's also folk and pop music, general terms which,
> along
> > with fine art
> > <
> http://integrallife.com/member/gregory-thomas/blog/folk-pop-and-fine-art-albe
> > rt-> , identify relative levels of stylization of the creative process,
> and
> > relative levels of sophistication of aesthetic statement. The blues, for
> > instance, are fundamentally a folk form of music. The Negro Spirituals
> are
> > another example of a folk music, on the sacred side. The blues, of
> course, is
> > one of the very foundations of what became jazz. In fact, the writer
> Albert
> > Murray, 95, calls the fine art of jazz the ultimateextension,
> elaboration and
> > refinement of the blues idiom, Murray's expression for the sensibility
> and
> > fundamental cultural basis of the stylistic expression of Negro
> Americans (his
> > generation's preferred term), that infused American culture writ large.
> > Blues idiom
> > <
> http://integrallife.com/member/gregory-thomas/blog/integral-take-blues-idiom
> >
> > music would be my preferred term, since the "black" in Black American
> Music
> > can too easily be thought of in terms of race, which, as I've said in
> earlier
> > columns, is too often confused with culture. "Blues idiom" as an idea
> grounded
> > in the blues establishes a root music foundation for the secular music
> called
> > jazz. Gospel music is on the sacred branch of the blues idiom continuum.
> (See
> > the article hyperlinked in this and the previous paragraph, and here, "An
> > Integral Take on the Blues Idiom
> > <
> http://integrallife.com/member/gregory-thomas/blog/integral-take-blues-idiom
> >
> > ," for more about this rich idea.)
> > Nicholas Payton and other artists have a right to call their music what
> they
> > want, and to reject or accept the terms they want. Just as I, a
> multi-media
> > journalist (print, radio, video) who has devoted himself to continuing
> and
> > furthering the legacy of jazz in American media for a quarter century,
> have a
> > right to respond to those choices as they appear in print. I believe
> that my
> > right to respond becomes a responsibility when the very word with which I
> > strongly identify‹jazz‹is challenged or dismissed without due
> consideration or
> > weight being given to the positive values of the word/concept. The
> values jazz
> > represent, the musical and social practices of the art form, and how it
> > touches people, are what gives jazz powerful meaning and import, not
> just in
> > the past but now too.
> > What jazz signifies and means is really the issue and why what we call
> this
> > music matters.
> > To me, personally and professionally, I associate jazz with
> improvisation and
> > syncopation, with resilience and flow, with tradition and innovation,
> with
> > earthy elegance, with strength and nuance, with the integrity of
> individual
> > expression within a collaborative group context, with true democracy in
> > action, with spontaneity and empathy, with the eternal moment and the
> power of
> > now. I think jazz is exemplary of the best produced by my ethnic and
> cultural
> > group, and by the United States as well.
> > When I think back to my earliest years, I recall my mom and dad's music
> > collections, both of which had a variety of genres, including jazz (i.e.,
> > Stanley Turrentine <
> http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=10944> ,
> > Wes Montgomery <http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=9528> ,
> > andCannonball Adderley <
> http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=3270>
> > ). I remember feeling the music in my bones, flesh and very soul since I
> was a
> > teen hearing the music live and on radio stations WRVR, WKCR, and WBGO.
> When I
> > played alto saxophone and flute in big bands in high school and college,
> it
> > was like a momentary utopia, as Christopher Smalls suggests in Music of
> the
> > Common Tongue: Survival and Celebration in Afro- American Music (Wesleyan
> > University Press, 1999).
> > The music called jazz helped me to grow beyond a racialist outlook and
> helped
> > me to never fall prey to what Payton has called a colonialist mindset.
> With
> > jazz, I've felt and witnessed the widest range of emotional and
> intellectual
> > expression in music (aside from European classical music), and
> experienced
> > deep insights into close listening and personal and interpersonal
> > communication.
> > And since I'm aware of the anthropological and metaphysical dimensions
> of the
> > music called jazz, I even connect the music with fertility rituals and
> tantric
> > sex, with grooves and swing that raise your prana or chi (qi) from the
> root
> > chakra to the third eye, crown chakra and beyond.
> > When I conceive of this music, my imagination also renders what I call
> the The
> > Tao of Jazz‹the title of an unpublished essay I wrote about a decade
> ago‹in
> > which the co-centric circles of sacred geometry, and the Taoist Yin-Yang
> > (Taiji) symbol, modulate into fractal geometry, where self-similar
> continuums
> > exist at all levels of magnification and reduction, into infinity.
> > Jazz resonates on all those levels for and to me.
> > Even Duke Ellington <
> http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=6521> ,
> > one of the master musician/composers who bristled at being placed
> exclusively
> > in a box called "jazz," wrote a short yet revealing piece in his book,
> Music
> > Is My Mistress (Da Capo Press, 1974) titled: "The City of Jazz."
> > The outchorus:
> > This City of Jazz does not have any specific geographical location. It is
> > anywhere and everywhere, wherever you can hear the sound . . . Europe,
> Asia,
> > North and South America . . . There are no city limits, no city
> ordinances, no
> > policeman, no fire department, but come rain or shine, drought or flood,
> I
> > think I'll stay here in this scene, with these cats, because almost
> everybody
> > seems to dig what they're talking about, or putting down. They
> communicate,
> > Dad. Do you get the message?
> > I don't know about you, but I sure get the message and the meaning.
> > So, within those contexts, and from those perspectives, the notion that
> jazz
> > as a word/concept/metaphor/practice is either dead or that it's solely a
> > marketing term, is unacceptable to me. Of course, it is true that for
> most of
> > the history of jazz, "white" people dominated the discourse about the
> music,
> > and that the musicians took a literary backseat. But we'll see in the
> next
> > column that it's not new for musicians to define themselves against the
> > proscriptions of white critics, "gazing on the music from across the race
> > line," as Gennari puts it in the discussion that will be posted shortly.
> We'll
> > also discover that it was so-called "white" critics who first posited
> what we
> > now consider the canon of jazz as being founded and innovated by black
> folks.
> > (Blacks folks, especially black musicians, knew that already; I'm talking
> > about the manifestation of what Foucault called the "discursive
> formation"
> > around jazz.)
> > But just dismissing the word "jazz" outright seems to be similar to, as
> the
> > expressions goes, throwing out the baby with the bath water. I'm cool
> with
> > living and working in the City of Jazz. If others want to move out of
> that
> > city, it's their prerogative in an open society.
> > Author and scholar John Gennari has a perspective on the history of jazz
> > criticism and how it intersects with race and canonization that, as
> you'll see
> > in the upcoming interview, can be instructive. Then in the subsequent
> Race and
> > Jazz column, we'll see how the issues that have arisen in 2011 are
> patterns of
> > discourse that extend across the history of this music, especially from
> the
> > 60s through the 90s.
> > Such contexts will allow us to see beyond the surfaces of contemporary
> > controversies.
> >
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